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xdavidliu 11 hours ago

a flagged-dead comment in this thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49749113

I genuinely wonder how this style minimized the loss function or got the most upvotes in RLHF and yet is so universally hated that it gets flagged to death almost every time, and similar to Reddit. If I were to describe it, it's "snappy" and information-dense, without fillers. I dislike it too of course.

t3r 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My read: it's not the style per se, it's the association. People are just sick of AI slop and react badly to anything that smells like it.

The dead summary itself was reasonably informative, I'd say.

applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This style is deliberately trained by the frontier providers, not something that occurs accidentally. It is a manipulative style that is extremely effective against the general population. It utilises countless dopamine-inducing techniques used in clickbait headlines and Youtube thumbnails, and barrages the user with a wall of text that obfuscates everything it attempts to say, which is extremely useful for giving the appearance of intelligence; when you use a lot of sophisticated language and technical jargon, people won't understand you, but rather than assuming that you're stupid for writing something incomprehensible, they will instead give you credit and assume they can't comprehend it because it's too advanced for them, even if actually is incoherent.

It is only flagged on HN because it's been made against the rules, giving the minority who hate it the power to retaliate. It was only some months ago I was routinely getting downvoted every time I pointed out obvious bot accounts spamming a post per minute in blatant LLM-speak. Even now, LLM articles are still allowed and people upvote them to the top all the time.

> information-dense

Err, no. It absolutely is not. You could say that it's dense in technical language, but the style has mastered the art of saying a lot without saying anything at all.

ipython 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your comment sparked an idea - it’s like the bike shedding of written text. If you write clean, concise English, it’s easy to parse and then inject your thoughts. If you instead (like an llm) throw a human a large wall of jargon heavy text, they’ll just give up and agree with you.

itemize123 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i agree, it's essentially copywriting