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palmotea 6 hours ago

> Here, we don’t need a human understanding of mathematics to give people a perfect standard of living. We also don’t need humans involved with anything else.

> Everything therefore becomes a hobby or a game. People do things because they enjoy them for their own sake, or because they are endeavours used as vehicles to socialise and enjoy others’ company, or because a shared social belief exists and is cultivated such that doing such and such a thing confers social status.

That's true only if you manage to implement communism.

If the economy remains capitalist, it means you'll suffer. There's no pleasant future of self-driven hobbies when you've got nothing to offer the capitalists, so they have no reason to give you any money. You'll have to work hard to scrape by on scraps and meager handouts to merely survive.

And in an odd way, I wouldn't be surprised if society becomes essentially communist for the nepo babies of the wealthy; after a long, slow holocaust of the now-unnecessary working classes, the only people left will be people so rich money doesn't matter. Under capitalism, the only people who are permitted comfort without work are the wealthy.

hnfong 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near. (except maybe me in my personal socials, only larping as a hobby)

I'm toying with the idea that until people realize capitalism is based on an increasingly invalid assumption that "things are scarce", the capitalist-ish economical system will eventually realize that the only scarce things are new, fun and creative ideas, and slowly value them more and more, which kind of might work out if nothing drastic happens between the times of transition.

NonHyloMorph 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And by surprised you probably mean "not really surprised" hm?

Just in case btw.: the world tends to get poorer in material ressources since around the 70s e.g. regarding habitable space, harvestable energy and the destruction of the integrity of earths biosphere - lots of things that establish value that is not bound to labour. Knowledgework isn't everything, some tend to forget that.

int_19h a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near. (except maybe me in my personal socials, only larping as a hobby)

I'm a (libertarian, free-market) socialist, so not quite communist, but I think the differences are not substantial as far as everyone outside far left circles is concerned. And I've been saying this exact thing since this whole AI wave started.

If there was ever a time to seize the means of production and make them commons, this is it.

palmotea 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> ...the capitalist-ish economical system will eventually realize that the only scarce things are new, fun and creative ideas, and slowly value them more and more, which kind of might work out if nothing drastic happens between the times of transition.

The problem (for most of us) is "new, fun and creative ideas" are pretty rare. If a worker has to be a font of them to eat in the new world, not many workers will be eating.

So, no, that won't "work out."