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indymike 43 minutes ago

I find it even harder to trust elected leaders from any party. At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear, whereas political leaders values changes as do the polls their livelihood depends on changes.

swatcoder 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear

What value set do you perceive that to be, and why would you take your perception of it to be any more sound than it would be with a politician?

It's not like someone can operate companies of that scale, especially startups, through earnestness and openness. Like national politics, their job is fundamentally about perception management and power brokering across dynamic windows of opportunity. Nothing they say or do can be taken at face value, and you can't reduce their incentives to either company or personal profit in any particular form over any particular time scale.

jonas21 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like many of Anthropic's issues are due to Dario being too earnest and open. It's both refreshing (that a CEO has thought deeply about and is willing to talk publicly about the dangers of their product) and depressing (that so many people cynically think this is some sort of marketing ploy).

pixl97 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>What value set do you perceive that to be

A meat based paperclip maximizer.

ceejayoz 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear…

How could we possibly know this?

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vasco 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you think their value set is if not "gimme more money"? Seems pretty clear cut to me.

autoexec 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I find it even harder to trust elected leaders from any party.

You can vote out an elected leader, but not Sam and Dario. It's very weird that you're so willing to give up any kind of power and want to be ruled by unelected billionaires who only want to take advantage of you at every opportunity.

forgetfully05g1 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it even, even harder to trust your opinion in this context with a business that has “AI powered” at the top of the landing page.

infogulch 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes it's clear that Sam and Dario seem to be aligned with a value set that prioritizes concentrating trans-national government-mandated centralized control of AI and crowning themselves high priests of this unholy abomination. "At least it's clear that they're aiming to bring hell on earth" -- hard disagree, I think we can aim significantly higher.

jsrozner 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No system of governance can deal with immense concentration of power. The US Constitution was about separation of powers. Democracy is about (in theory at least) giving each person a meaningful say in their own governance, which in turn implies not allowing any single person to become too powerful.

Political leaders become a problem when they amass too much power. Corporations become a problem when they amass too much power. It doesn't matter what Sam and Dario's purported values are. They aspire to power and absolutely power always corrupts absolutely.

Technologies which are infinitely powerful or whose power grows too quickly outrun any reasonable attempt at regulation. If you imagine that tomorrow everyone were given a tank, we might think, "alright, everyone has a tank so it's not too bad." But humans are squishy, and our houses are (relatively) squishy compared to tanks. Substantial collateral damage would result from everyone having a tank, and it seems likely that substantial collateral damage will result from everyone having a cyberterrorism-capable slop machine.

pixl97 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's interesting the cyberpunk-esque future we're sliding into. Things like cognito-hazards and information-hazards are legitimately discussed and researched problems we're experiencing.

It's going to be interesting on how humanity deals with this problem (well, or if we turn it over to AI and make it their problem and suffer whatever consequences falls out). Being able to gather further information and power by acting on the information you already have causing massive power imbalances that is very hard to deal with, it's a natural outcome.

luqtas 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Democracy is about (in theory at least) giving each person a meaningful say in their own governance, which in turn implies not allowing any single person to become too powerful.

this is "direct democracy" and it's not even close to exist in USA... even with that a society can allow powerful people to exist if they don't create any law forbidding that

jsrozner 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Democracy includes a broader array of governmental organization than just pure direct democracy. If you do believe that individuals should have some ability dictate the terms of their own social organization, then you believe in some amount of democratic principles.

Economic power eventually manifests in the political realm. The wealthy effectively get more votes, which means that society moves away from being democratic. Thus substantial wealth inequality is incompatible with democracy in the long run. We have been witnessing that corruption for a while now.

throwaway13337 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Nearly everyone in the US has a giant car that is basically a tank.

They are dangerous. But it’s managed.

Centralized power never works. We have the worst times in history to look at.

Nationalization just centralizes to a different set of people. It’s personal ownership or oppression.

We all need open weight R2D2s.

jsrozner 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Cars are decidedly less dangerous than tanks, which are less dangerous than nuclear weapons. I am certain that giving a nuclear weapon to every person in the world would not go well.

pixl97 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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goatlover 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

At least politicians are somewhat beholden to their constituents. What keeps Sam and Dario in line other than profit?