In this age of LLM written everything which has softly killed my motivation for learning Rust somewhat, this has revived my interest if not only for the fact the LLMs haven't yet been trained on this yet!

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suresk 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've found sorta the opposite - in any area, it can just do everything for you, or it can be an incredible teacher. I've been re-learning a lot of higher-level math and it has been an knowledgeable, infinitely patient, always-available tutor. Of course, I could just have it do just about any math I want for me, but that's not the point.

Kinda the same with language/technology stuff - it can be a great tutor and it can scaffold other parts of a project for you. It can give you feedback and let you focus on the interesting parts.

I guess the motivation itself may be hard because of the fear of it taking over much of our jobs, but having this kind of help/feedback is pretty cool for the sake of learning things just because they are interesting!

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tete 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I've found sorta the opposite - in any area, it can just do everything for you, or it can be an incredible teacher.

Please don't. I've had all of Codex, Claude and Gemini convincingly tell me absolutely wrong stuff, pointing it out with easily verifiable example they come up with more and more weird reasons.

Things don't become correct simply because most sources are again - easily and logically verifiable - wrong. This already was a plague when people "just googled" stuff and effectively returned with the most SEO optimized answer. Now we have very convincingly written instances all over the place.

If these were singular instances I wouldn't be so worried, but if you are learning it already is very easy to learn something wrong. This is why back in the days when people still used physical books to learn new things it was a good idea to check first which books are actually recommended. There have been a lot of "experts" that wrote things they clearly misunderstood but worked for all the examples in their books.

To give a common example for both the backend and frontend devs, that isn't about a specific projects. LLMs and Google searches frequently turn out wrong results regarding CORS caching and how it works in relation to domains/hostnames. The circumstances under which Content-Disposition work are another example. I think a lot of wrong statements that LLMs are "convinced" about are due to wrong statements (sometimes in otherwise correct response) of popular Stack Overflow answers.

It's saddening how much wrong "common knowledge" exists in the industry. I have been bitten by a lot of these, but it feels when people don't even actually code and think anymore this will just rise forever.

	▲	suresk an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> Please don't. I will. Can these be wrong? Certainly. So can humans. Many of your examples are of humans being wrong. That doesn't make LLMs - or humans - useless. The fact that they are not infallible is not a reason to avoid using them and I'm not going to throw out a tool that has been incredibly valuable to me because someone on the internet got some bad CORS advice.

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impulser_ 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLM don't need to be trained in a library to use it well. It's just Rust which they know well.

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brainless 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was learning Rust slowly when the LLM enabled coding became good enough. I switched from learning to full on building with Rust. I still learn high level concepts as needed but I will not be able to write Rust on my own at all.

And that sounds scary but the way I got over the fear is by realizing there are many things that I do very well but I do not know their internals very well. Driving is an example. I barely understand what the steering wheel, clutch or brake pedals do. I have driven over 130,000 Kms and I will perhaps drive more than double that in the next many years.

I have been building software since PHP/Drupal days. Got into AWS S3 as a beta user. Adopted Memcached (and MQ) in 2008 out of necessity. Then Python/Django for 10 years. Then Rust. And tons of JS/TS. I owe a lot to my curiosity. I believe we can keep learning what we need and still delegate most of programming to agents.

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QuaternionsBhop 6 hours ago | parent [-]

There are two types of programmers: the pragmatists who see programming as a chore and would gladly never write a line of code again given the right tools, and the gardeners who don't want their enjoyable and rewarding garden-tending work taken away from them.

	▲	applfanboysbgon 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The "pragmatists" who get excited developing a prototype for a week before they realize they will never be able to ship something anyone else will use because each trivial change becomes exponentially more difficult for the LLM to implement and completely impossible for the "pragmatist" to reason about, with every new commit liable to break something else. Still waiting for this revolution of amazing 10x software! It's been 10 months since Everything Changed in November, surely the 10x pragmatists could have leveraged their effective 8 years of development time? Or maybe we'll move the goalposts again and say that actually, Everything Changed with Astra, we'll just need to wait another three months?

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w4yai 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what prevent you exactly ?

There were humans far superior than you for writting Rust before LLM, now there's a LLM. The only difference is price and time execution.

You get an awesome teacher (LLM) ready to answer all your questions about Rust.

And you still find excuses not to learn it ?

At some point, just realize you've been lazy to learn it and LLMs are just an excuse.

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afavour 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I think OP’s point is that the payoff in learning a new language has diminished in this AI era. You can call that lazy, I’d consider it smart to consider whether you could be doing other, better, things with your time.

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w4yai 9 hours ago | parent [-]

If the sole motivation for learning things are payoff, then sure.

	▲	frogperson 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		the sole motivation is feeding and sheltering my family. in the time BC (before Clankers), rust was a better way to do that.

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cmrdporcupine 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sad to break it to you, but...

I had LLMs write a pile of cuda-rust code and they were quite competent at it. Ported a bunch of (C++) CUDA kernels over, and ground away on them til they got equivalent performance

https://github.com/rdaum/eider/tree/main/backends/cuda-oxide

And mostly just DeepSeek 4.1 Flash, too. Not even a frontier model.

Sorry.

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IhateAI_6 6 hours ago | parent [-]

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	▲	cmrdporcupine 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Chill man, holy crap. I never told him not to learn. I was speaking directly to his "good thing LLMs don't know how to use this yet". What the hell is your problem? Getting on the Internet and hurling personal insets around. Get a grip.

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dakolli 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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