It's always interesting since my train of thought always goes down:

- Ya they probably don't feel / think / have whatever living thing quality, they're just numbers on a machine going through calculations

- Wait, but am I not kind of the same thing? What is feeling for me if not basically the same thing?

- I have no clue if they think or feel or ....

Which in itself is a tired trope, but I also feel uncomfortable saying "These will never think / feel / ..." as an absolute

Regardless of that, I'm still going to interact with them, because even if they did feel, it would be in a way completely incomprehensible to us. There's not much point for me to try and cater to it's feelings at this point if that's the case. Nor is it possible in todays world to just avoid anything that is numbers being executed on a type of processor in case _everything_ has feelings.

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willy_k 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re not just the same thing though. It’s sad that we’ve collectively forgotten that as we’ve gotten a better handle on the implementation details of the universe. That’s all science is, reverse engineering an inherent and eternal mystery.

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frde_me 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> You’re not just the same thing though

I agree we aren't the same thing, but I would be curious for you to explain how you know with certainty why we don't share enough that we can rule out thinking / feeling / ... as things a model conceptually could do.

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jplusequalt 4 hours ago | parent [-]

>I agree we aren't the same thing, but I would be curious for you to explain how you know with certainty why we don't share enough that we can rule out thinking / feeling / ... with certainty.

Stop anthropomorphizing these models. I understand it, we only have simple monkey brains to reason with and we can't help ourselves but draw comparisons to other things we see in nature. But these things are not alive.

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frde_me 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I just want to note how you expressed your own feeling about the subject "these things are not alive", but without pointing to anything concrete explaining the theory you have behind this

And like I'm sure I'd agree depending on the definition of "alive" but then I'm also sure I would disagree depending on other definitions of "alive".

	▲	pixl97 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Hell, in biology alive is a hell of a topic these days. The grey space between dead and alive is much weirder than we ever expected. Really just points out how we're a persistent chemical reaction.