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jasonjmcghee 4 hours ago

It still matters, but in the age of good reasoning, tool use, and web search, this is much less of a problem than it used to be.

spindump8930 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It can be quite hard to determine what needs a tool call or not. LLMs are not well calibrated to what they know and don't know, and tool calls can add latency and extra costs. There are lots of things that are "obvious" right until they aren't - especially political events and disasters.

lukewarm707 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

in my chat with gemini it could not differentiate between current events and fiction.

if you point it to the web it got the point, but started treating everything like fiction. so it simply started making up possible scenarios and playing them off as real answers when asked for factual information.

i could not tell what the issue was or how to fix it because the reasoning is encrypted. the obfuscation model spat out something like: 'the user is asking for details about a fictional scenario in which the usa has assassinated the leader of iran'

i really don't like the way big ai companies are going. encrypted thinking, guardrails, adversarial personality, moralizing. it is creating something anti-human.

dominotw 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

all the reasoning still comes from pretraining data

binlog 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Says who? Models can also use results from tool calls in their reasoning loops.

dominotw 3 hours ago | parent [-]

some logic here

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/HYCGA2p4bBG68Yufh/thinking-a...

bigmadshoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they mean reasoning their way to the need for a web search.

jasonjmcghee 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Or other kind of search / knowledge acquisition / computer use etc to get the information needed