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DarkNova6 3 hours ago

Believe it or not but the american system isn’t exact a blueprint for actual democracy. Many democratic systems don‘t make the election of the president a vote.

Telemakhos 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In actual democracy, like ancient Athens, most offices are filled by sortition rather than election.

Election is characteristic of oligarchy, where a few people make decisions for the many. Usually the few are supposed to be more qualified for or deserving of office, and election is a way of deciding which volunteer is most worthy.

In democracies, everyone is assumed to be equally qualified, as governing requires no special knowledge beyond some basic morality. So, lists of volunteers for office are compiled and names drawn from those lists at random, and for every office something like nine names are drawn, so volunteers can split their time between public service and their private affairs. This random selection also prevents the creation of political parties: you can’t get randomly selected by spending more on a campaign.

So, election of officers is oligarchic, rather than democratic. Democracies have votes instead on legislation, declarations of war snd peace, and jury trials.

gizajob 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well funnily enough, virtually all the constituent countries of the EU do put the election of their president to a democratic vote.

freehorse 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really. In many of them the president is elected through the parliament (which is democratic in the indirect sense only). In quite a few of them they still have kings/queens instead of presidents. So they do put the ones holding the executive power to a vote, but that's not necessarily the president.

BUT in those countries the president (or royal) has mostly a more "decorative" type of role and not actual power. It is the government constituted by the parliamentary majority (or close to that) elected through general elections that holds the executive power. In EU there is no direct election of the president/commission, AND it holds most of the institutional executive power, which is what makes it undemocratic imo.

gizajob 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Nevertheless, Von der Leyen is both unelected and non-decorative. Nobody else is speaking for the whole of Europe today.