> I did not like, and did not understand, epsilons and deltas.

It's nice to have this perspective validated by someone like Serre! I felt like I was missing something when I first encountered that formalism. In fact, all of my introductory calculus classes sucked and turned me off of math for a few years.

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robotpepi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He later participated in Bourbaki, who were known by their overly formal style, tough.

	▲	bananaflag 28 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		A professor of mine had an anecdote of meeting Serre and complaining to him about Bourbaki style and how hard it is for students. Serre's reply was "But we never wrote those books for students! We wrote them for researchers to have a handy reference for all proofs of basic results."

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zahlman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's the alternative for explaining those concepts that's still reasonably rigorous?

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gucci-on-fleek 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nonstandard analysis [0] [1] uses infinitesimals but is still completely rigorous. I haven't ever really used nonstandard analysis myself, but there's a fairly well-regarded textbook available online [2].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonstandard_analysis

[1]: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/51453/is-non-standa...

[2]: https://people.math.wisc.edu/%7Ehkeisler/keislercalc-06-03-2...

	▲	btilly an hour ago \| parent [-]
		When I first learned non-standard analysis, my reaction was that we don't need the axiom of choice to find the derivative of x^2. The formalism is very simple symbolically. But the mathematical machine behind it is very complex.

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sheafification an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Various algebras of dual numbers are used in most automatic derivative routines.

This is treated more rigorously and generically in the subject of synthetic differential geometry.

	▲	Nesco an hour ago \| parent [-]
		wanted to say this. Also conceptually it feels just right to use nilpotents to probe the smooth structure. In a way nilpotents are violently smaller than even non standard analysis infinitesimals, as the laters’ powers are incredibly small but never vanishing. Another way to see this is that it makes Taylor expansion exact by killing terms above a bound so it works naturally with the ecosystem surrounding it Finally duals are very similar to complex in a way. i can be defined as root of X^2 + 1 = 0 even if it felt impossible initially, the dual number as a non nul solution of X^2 = 0 even if it is as counterintuitive.