Get the EV. They're better anyway.

foobiekr 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

PHEV are more convenient and generally better. A Toyota Rav4 PHEV, Prius or may others, are shockingly fuel efficient relagtive to older car stock. I had not replaced a car for 16 years and found getting actual 52-54mpg out of a much larger and heavier vehicle genuinely shocking.

Most people have a relatively short commute where the modest range of PHEV still allows them to mostly be on electric.

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hedora 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I can’t imagine buying a car that needs to go to the gas station to refill at this point, now that we have ev’s.

This total cost of ownership calculator can be helpful:

https://afdc.energy.gov/calc/

Compared to a bmw i3, it’s price and (anecdotal) reliability are kind of comparable, but the annual cost is >2x more, and the carbon footprint is >4x.

(I had to pick a slightly older i3 to compare, since it’s discontinued).

As you point out, the rav4 is bigger. A lightning truck is bigger than the rav4 hybrid, but with lower purchase cost (2023, base for both). The lightning has higher per year costs though.

It’s pretty clearly game over for ICE/hybrids. Tariffs and bribed politicians can’t change the underlying price and performance advantage.

	▲	trescenzi 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In Connecticut it is only now cheaper to use electric instead of gas in my prius prime. I get 50-53 mpg highway, even over very long distances I drive to family in STL a few times a years, and electric is $0.33/kWh. So even at around 4 miles/kWh I'm paying $0.0825/mile for electric which breaks even right around $4.25/gallon. So it's really going to depend upon where you live. That's not to say I wouldn't buy an electric car tomorrow if I had the option. My somewhat frequent long drives make gas slightly preferable but these days I'd much prefer electric.

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bix6 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes they’re better. But it’s very expensive to get the EV I want that would replace my current cars capabilities.

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Aspos 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Polestar was kicked out from the US market and is now practically giving away their vehicles. Look at their lease deals.

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Rohansi 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm curious what specific capabilities you're referring to here.

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bix6 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I have an outback with AT tires and I can fit my surfboards inside. I don’t want a compact. Rivian R2 is tempting but esspensive.

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iammiles 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I replaced my old Forester with the new Trailseeker. Stsrting price (and interest rate) is much better than the R2.

I can slide in an 8’ board no problem when I’m too lazy to use the roof rack.

I haven’t upgraded the wheels or tires yet but the stock ones have had no problem going up and down the old logging and forest service roads of NW Oregon and SW Washington.

	▲	bix6 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Thank you for the rec I’ll take a look!

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NegativeLatency 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the Toyota sienna had a plugin ev option that would be really compelling for me. The electric van market is surprisingly sad. I currently only boogie board because it fits in my car.

	▲	mysterydip 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I’m really tempted by current sienna hybrids, my current gas one gets 20mpg on a good day. Plug-in for the daily school commutes and after school activities would be great

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dalyons 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The r2 is right on the median price for new cars in the US, believe it or not. Crazy. But yeah, an Outback is still cheaper

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medler 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Subaru dealers near me have the Trailseeker, an EV comparable to the Outback, listed around $35k

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bix6 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Ooo nice I wrote Subie off after the Solerra flop but I’ll take a look

	▲	medler 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The Solterra got a lot better in the 2026 model year. It’s not a bottom-tier EV anymore. (Disclosure: I have one)

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WarmWash 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lightnings are awesome trucks

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standeven 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Used Tesla Model Y with AT tires? You can get a small lift kit for them if you want more ground clearance.

	▲	bix6 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Fuck Elon.

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