Thank you for pushing back on one of the top disruptive bad-faith comments we see on HN.

The follow up arguments will be that since billion dollar companies ultimately only care about their bottom line, so should we.

I'm certain most of these comments mean well (to "open eyes" or whatever), but some of them really are on principle and blatant astroturfing.

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r_lee 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The follow up arguments will be that since billion dollar companies ultimately only care about their bottom line, so should we.

so it should be fought by giving them free work in the hopes that they'll finally feel guilty and then start paying proper bounties?

like to me that just seems funny, as if they'd change anything if we'd keep rewarding them for not doing the right thing

like, there's a reason regulation exists for all kinds of shit because otherwise companies would do all kinds of atrocities in hopes of cutting costs

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manquer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> free work

Don't know if I would call it that ?

This was a potential customer reporting a result of an audit of a tool they are evaluating. This is frequent and normal activity in enterprise deals. Most of the time such reports are not critical vulnerabilities it would things like tenant configuration -what business would like versus what CISO will accept or risk acceptance of the product they are buying with monitoring or other prescription on access restrictions or a DPA and so on.

It would be novel business model to spend ton of money in getting a prospect to late-deal stage where they are ready to do a security audio for you just so that part is "free" .

Most companies wouldn't disclose(to the public) even if it was serious , that is not their job, they will report to internal teams and re-review on fix. Strix.ai has a benefit in doing so as they sell a scanning tool for this purpose so we get to hear of this.

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sublinear 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At some point, you will realize two things.

First, you're being petty and just fighting fire with fire. Second, most of this research is fairly trivial.

What you're instead encouraging is a race to the bottom. You're not going to kill off the companies you hate by withholding information. You don't even have that power anyway because by its very nature, security research is not secret. You're really just encouraging pessimistic groupthink and bad faith. This is why businesses can't be more open about their flaws. It's not that they're stupid and incompetent, but that the pitchforks come out. These are the seeds of dystopia.

They would have eventually figured it out, but as an unfortunate incident with an outsized effect. As much as you wish it to be true, even the worst of these incidents will not kill their business. As much as you hate these businesses, their financial momentum will eventually cause the public to depend on them more. There's more at stake here than anyone's personal gain. It's naive to think otherwise.

You're just manifesting broken windows and ignoring litter thinking you're fighting the man. This is straight up ghetto punk ass behavior wearing a white collar.

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		> You're just manifesting broken windows and ignoring litter thinking you're fighting the man. This is straight up ghetto punk ass behavior wearing a white collar. are you replying to the right person? I'm not hating on any business or trying to "kill" any business. I'm saying serve yourself, not them. if you have say, a 0 day on your hands, do what serves you best. is that "ghetto punk ass behavior"? what are you on about?
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jazzpush2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's nice to wax poetic, but they should absolutely pay the researchers here.

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