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| ▲ | Gregkion 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| No but a democracy should protect democracy. AfD is concluding with russia, a country which poisned people on EU ground. AfD also has plenty of real nazis doing nazi shit and AfD is not excluding them. AfD is not democracy. AfD is antidemocracy even if it would get elected democratically. |
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| ▲ | palmotea 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | > AfD is not democracy. AfD is antidemocracy even if it would get elected democratically. Here's a fun thing language-game to try: expand your definition of "democracy" to encompass your partisan political positions, don't tell anyone, yell from the rooftops that your opponents are "anti-democratic" and banning them is "democratic." Then observe how you only convince yourself of your own righteousness, and further alienate the people you wished to persuade. | | |
| ▲ | Gregkion 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | AfD is a facist party and anti-democratic. AfD fights against mechanism we have in place to protect the democracy. Has nothing to do with my own righteousness. AfD could easily do things against all of this garbage and they don't. | |
| ▲ | 1718627440 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is certainly what could be the case, except it isn't. It was decided in 1949 what the current understanding of democracy in Germany is. You could of course decide to define democracy as broad so that it also encompasses the Athenian democracy, but that is not what we currently mean when we speak of a liberal democracy. If party A, being labeled as communist by party B, and party B, being labeled as fascistic by party A, both agree, as well as all other parties in-between, that you are a threat to democracy, maybe you are. If you are looking for a party that labels itself democratic and all others anti-democratic, you need to look at the AfD themself. |
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| ▲ | 1718627440 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Democracy isn't a dictatorship of the majority! |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sometimes, cultures democratically decide "hey we shouldn't be responsible for another World War and Holocaust" is worth legislating. Sometimes, democracy needs defending from people using its privileges to get rid of it. |
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| ▲ | throw0101a 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Democracy is when the government does what I want! One can (should?) tolerate a lot in an open, democratic society, but not (necessarily) everything: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Then there's H.L. Mencken old line: * “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the paradox of tolerance has been interpreted by many on the left in a way that flatters them and is convenient to their political ends. Forces that actually threaten democracy and tolerance are frequently ignored or swept under the rug, while the left's political opponents are demonized as not being tolerant enough to participate in democracy so they can be summarily dismissed. IMHO this tactic is one of the drivers in the falling trust in institutions that we see across the western world. You can't simply dismiss your opposition as not tolerant enough as a way of winning a political argument. | | |
| ▲ | 1718627440 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree, a predicate of non-tolerance or non-democraticness should be in the conclusion of an argument, not in it's assertion or justification. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'd recommend reading up on German constitutional theory and consider the historical precedent that might've lead them to realize the importance of having their democracy be defensive - something they're failing to live up to right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_democracy |
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| ▲ | soco 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'd say the majority doesn't want AfD, otherwise they would have voted for them. So let's not claim what is not due. |
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