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alienbaby 4 days ago

If they work, does it matter?

Separate from building your own code, ,of course you may have your own standards to apply.

But for apps, well, I never had a chance to see how good or bad the code was before AI was about, so why should I care now, so long as what I paid for does what it says it does (and nothing nefarious..)

voidUpdate 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Some programmers have ethical concerns around the use of LLMs. It's like saying "my clothes still work, why should it matter if child labour made them?"

alienbaby 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know wnything of the ethics of any real meatbag developers that are working on the code or app I install on my phone either. I fail to see how, for pre-packaged code specifically, it being AI or not is a problem; ~ rather, surely all the concerns we have about AI code (hopefully properly developer reviewed.. - which I suspect is where the real problem lies) apply to developer written code also, when it comes to pre-packaged apps.

harvey9 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

This seems tenuous. The LLM is not being exploited.

relevant_stats 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If they work, does it matter?

The blog post provides something akin to answer to this question:

You see, the main allure of LLMs is that they allow the developer to be more lazy. That’s kind of the whole point! You just prompt, sit back and relax. So it should not surprise you to hear that this attitude is then reflected in everything the vibe-coder touches

As I understand it, one of concerns is that with the lowered barriers there comes a flood of low quality software, vibe coded by very lazy and not very talented people.

This might be actually more of a human problem, but it's a problem nevertheless.

alienbaby 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I had no visibility of developer attentiveness or lack thereof, not skill or code quality before AI was around, for any apps I downloaded to my phone.

I fail to see why worrying about AI code quality is any different to worrying about developer code quality when it comes to pre packaged apps.

With code I am writing, some AI generated, my work load has not really decreased, nor have I gotten lazy. My work has changed to a degree, and now involves reviewing and guiding and double checking AI code where I did not have to before, but I am certainly still working just as hard, and accomplishing more with AI's help in spite of the change in workload it brings.

delivering bad AI code because you got lazy is not the AI fault, it's the developers fault.

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drcxd 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You can't call people lazy because they use LLMs, just like you can't call people lazy because they travel by train/plane/cars instead of their own feet.

relevant_stats 4 days ago | parent [-]

> You can't call people lazy because they use LLMs

I haven't done that at all.

bigstrat2003 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> If they work, does it matter?

If you're using an LLM to write your code, odds are very high it does not work.