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njovin an hour ago

Everyone is missing maybe the biggest point - this isn't just a VR device. You can run some/many (depending on your library) of your regular Steam games on a 'flat screen' inside the VR environment, which makes this much more like a SteamDeck with a giant private screen for a lot of people.

MBCook 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t see that as the biggest point. I really don’t have much interest in playing normal games in VR.

I could see how a kid might want that on Quest when they don’t have their own TV. And it might be nice on a plane.

But $1000 is a lot for that. I know people say that watching video in the Vision Pro is really nice, I wasn’t that thrilled when I tried it, but it felt to me more like a “you can do this because you have the hardware“ not a“ this is why you buy it” feature.

chaosharmonic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think even that's an understatement.

My tinfoil-hat take is that Lepton looks like it's just aimed at Facebook but will ultimately make Google's Android less... uniquely impenetrable. Certain hardware-dependent stuff will probably never fully work here (GPS for instance), but having a registry of what is and isn't compatible with a third-party Android derivative, on a specific reference device, will benefit every third-party Android derivative. And not that it won't have similar anticheat issues, but having a games ecosystem outside of Google Play will also cover some of the infrastructure that would require that dependency otherwise -- including payments.

And not that I don't see a net positive if gacha games never successfully make the jump... but as a Linux device there's also a lot of stuff where you just don't have to care about Play Integrity, because instead you can just run the PC version and/or a desktop browser.

(edit: shameless plug for my recent, longer writeup on this: bhmt.dev/blog/frame)

JeremyNT an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Admittedly my VR glasses are older, but for me this is a really terrible experience. If a game lacks native VR support, it's far more comfortable to just use my widescreen monitor in the real world.

jayGlow 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'd agree even if the resolution is closer to a real monitor I'd really rather not have a headset strapped to my face to play the same games I could play on a tv or monitor.

wnevets 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds like a worse experience to me.

Zambyte a minute ago | parent [-]

When sitting, the optimally comfortable angle to look, and the optimal place to hold a controller are very far from each other. The Deck is basically only fun for long sessions if you can play it laying down. VR is more flexible in this regard.

wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly as a VR enthusiast this is the least interesting feature by far.

If I want to game with glasses I'll just use my $200 xreal airs. I do sometimes on holidays using Samsung DeX and a gamepad, and GeForce now. Works well, I played through half of Cyberpunk that way.

Forgeties79 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Man GeForce now is surprisingly stable/smooth. I barely use it now (built a PC) but I got the $5 founders rate and have no intention of getting rid of it

thefz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You can run some/many (depending on your library) of your regular Steam games on a 'flat screen' inside the VR environment

I can already run 100% of my Steam games on a flat screen in front of my real eyes

teekert 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not cinema size, and not with your poor eyes focused on "infinite". And not any of this on a plane, or a train, or a self driving car, or an RV.

Waterluvian 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not trying to proselytize an opinion here, but every time I think about VR Goggles + a virtual flat screen, I think about how entire industries exist to make us comfortable while we watch our real flat screens. A VR option would allow me to just lay comatose-like in my bed, goggles affixed to my face, as I watch whatever. It terrifies me, partly because of how good I bet it could feel.

PaulHoule 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I have an "image sorter" web application that works great on desktop, tablets, phones and... my meta quest 3. I can bum around the spare room on the couch and have three big windows hanging in the air. If your "click" targets conform with WCAG AAA standards such an app is easy to use with controllers.

It's particularly fun to watch 3d movies with the headset but with several decent TVs in the house I'd watch movies most of the time with one of them.

qzw 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t know. I can’t even take a nap while having my glasses on, so the thought of lying down with a much weightier VR headset pressing down on my face doesn’t sound super comfortable.

t-writescode a few seconds ago | parent [-]

I know lots … and lots … of people that sleep in VR. I don’t know how they do it either, but there we are!

This product doesn’t look half bad for sleeping in VR for people that are used to doing so with other headsets. Definitely easier than some offerings.

RIMR 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly, with apps like Immersed, custom two-hand keyboards, and trackball mice, it is already feasible to lie comatose in bed with a VR headset strapped to your face and get through an entire day of software development.

kakacik an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How long is that comfortable? For sure not couple of hours in 1 go

idle_zealot an hour ago | parent [-]

> For sure not couple of hours in 1 go

Worry not! That's how long the battery lasts!

ninininino an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That's already true for most PC VR headsets.

Edit: I missed the point here, see reply.

MattCruikshank 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Standalone? No. Most PC VR headsets require a PC. The Steam Frame will let you play 2D games, with no phone or PC attached.

ninininino 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Thank you for the correction.

everyone an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Also VR is just not somewhere you want to be.. Its worth it in short bursts for playing Alyx or golf with a friend, but it's not comfortable, you wanna get that thing off asap.. Playing a conventional 40+ hour game in it would be awful.

I even downloaded some 3d movies to try watching in VR, pacific rim and avatar movies (there's not that many 3d movies) but I didnt get far into them, the 3d was more of a distraction than anything. Flat screen is just superior imo.

Hopefully Valve make a sequel to Alyx to help sell the new headset.