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codenesium 3 hours ago

It's not done now? I haven't written code in months.

orangedog 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The huge apps that my coworkers build out with minimal human input makes me scared to be a web dev in this environment. Just way too much can get automated.

dakolli 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah completely unmaintainable code that cant handle more than 1k users before it collapses on itself. And quite probably so ugly its literally impossible to use.

orangedog 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That only matters if you need to support 1k users. Tons of software doesn't and if you can spit out a web app in a few hours a lot of companies are going to do that.

I'm sure there is still a pot for really high quality stuff but it's a tradeoff a lot of companies don't care. But the interfaces - they aren't ugly, they're very usable and complete, which is the main reason I think web dev is in trouble. It'd take me 10x the time to do it myself.

dakolli 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Simple web apps, the kind you're describing have never been difficult, they were never what kept SWEs employed.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about when you say "web apps", because the kind of "web apps" that have kept SWEs employed are created by large organizations that have large requirements. You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Companies also aren't going to just stop growing, iterating and improving, which requires expertise. Im worth more than ever with AI, my value as a SWE has only been increasing.

You people seriously need to stop using LLMs because your brains are devolving like taxi cabs drivers who had parts of their brains responsible for navigation atrophy after the advent of GPS.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't get why you're being so rude. What's the point?

For the record, I hardly use these models. I've simply seen that they can replace existing web apps. That hurts the market for web devs, most orgs aren't building out large apps they are building out smallish ones and generative models do that today.

dakolli 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sorry, Ive been hearing these exact same arguments for 3 years now and its always extermely divorced from reality. Its starting to get very tiring, its hard not to be rude at a certain point.

Don't go around telling people their careers are in peril when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. What do you expect?

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You've identified a very specific type of web dev, one that works on perf critical apps in a corp environment and said corp cares about perf and quality. Tons of people simply don't work in those environments and unfortunately this threatens their career.

I work in an environment where we can vibecode 4/5 of our web apps because they are either small enough or the perf doesn't matter. Or, I've looked under the hood and these are writing endpoints that would take me 3x the amount of time it would take it to use the same libraries. You say it's divorced from reality, I'm saying it's just what I've directly observed.

I'm glad it doesn't affect you, but you don't have any kind of statistical measurement (nor do I) to know how much of the market this impacts. I do know for a lot of the web dev I did pereviously, I could do it viea these models today.

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y-c-o-m-b 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah I've been at that stage since Opus 4.6 pretty much. There's still a lot of back and forth in the conversation on complex tasks, but I have not written any code. We are working on a MASSIVE project for our multi-billion dollar client and the whole team is completely using AI. Even the UX guys and our project managers are making the prototypes they want us to implement by vibe coding it first in a static app. I haven't seen Figma usage in months.

aerodexis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yea - but did you read it?