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JoshTriplett 5 hours ago

Does it apply to audio as well? If you think of a song you know well, do you feel like you "hear" the music in your head, as though playing back an audio file?

If you think of a movie scene you've seen, what is that like? Can you recount what was in it, even if you can't "picture" it? Or does this also prevent you from recalling the details of the scene?

vidarh 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People's ability to "hear" music ranges from nothing at all to being able to "play back" close to what they heard. For my part, I have aphantasia, I can't hear the sound I heard, but I can "play it back" in my own voice (which is distinctly less pleasing).

As for movie scenes, I rarely tend to remember specific scenes - I tend to remember concepts and dialogue - but when I do remember a scene, I can often describe it in detail, and I can sketch out scenes, be it from movies or real life, that I remember well with a lot of spatial detail.

I suspect I probably do remember less of visuals than people without aphantasia because I don't really get much value from it, but I definitely can.

majiy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not the person you asked, but a fellow Aphantast: I cannot imagine visually at all. End-of-Yoga-class imaginary journeys are completely useless for me. I'm also faceblind. But I can imagine music I'm familiar with without any problem, and have a inner monologue (it blew my mind when I learned that some people do not). Also I have visual dreams, but nowhere near to the level of details that I have heard other people describe.

I image a movie scene: There is a man sitting at a table in a cantina. He has dark hair, slightly rugged clothes. Standing next to his table is a little green alien that targets a blaster at him. The person is sitting low, at an angle that prevents the alien from seeing that he has drawn his own blaster below the table. I know all of this, but I have no visual image of it. If I had to draw what I see in my head it would be a blank piece of paper with arrows pointing at certain points, labeled with "Han", "Table" and "Greebo".

mirror_neuron 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone who is close to the aphantasic end of the spectrum: for me, it does not apply to audio. That difference is how I came to understand aphantasia better: I can very concretely hear sounds and music in my "mind's ear" in a way that I can't for vision.

misthop 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm a musician, but don't "hear" music in my head. I have an extensive memory of lyrics, and can guess the next notes of a song, but I use my inner monologue to sing or hum it in my head, I don't hear it. I can recall the visuals of a movie scene similar to how I can tell you how my office is organized. It is a spatial memory of where things are and aligned with each other. I don't replay the scene in any sense of the word

cyclopeanutopia 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I use my inner monologue to sing or hum it in my head, I don't hear it

Wdym? I think that the inner monologue is "hearing it", with a varying degree of vividness between people, of course.

misthop 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Some people hear orchestral swells when, say, reading a book that mentions them. I don't have that. I have an inner monologue that can sing. I forget the term but as I understand it there are people who don't have an inner monologue. I think many of those would still be able to have "sound" imagery

vidarh 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Some people hear it more like a recording.

cyclopeanutopia 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I can do that, but I think it is the same thing on a spectrum, just like the visual imagination.

orta 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To add to this as a follow aphant - I don't have a way to hear sounds unless they are in my voice. So everything from songs, to sirens are simply me speaking it via inner monologue.

tekla 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm pretty sure this is the default. Who literally hears music when thinking of it.

JoshTriplett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I do. I can "play it back" in my head, with full music/lyrics/chords/etc.

Kiro 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do and just asked around among friends. Everyone did.

drcongo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most I think, especially among musicians, which makes the GP fascinating to me!

tekla 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

I can play the piano, saxaphone, and guitar, and I've never considered being able to think about music to be actually hearing it.

bethekidyouwant 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you literally hear music in a dream have you never had an auditorial hallucination?

tekla 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes I've had auditorial hallucinations. It was clearly inside my head, I was not "hearing" it

logicallee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It reminds me of a joke. It's better told in person but you get the idea:

A percussionist takes a day off and decides to see one of his orchestra's performances. The next day he's back and talking to one of the other percussionists. "How was it?" the other one asks.

"Unbelievable! You know the part where we go buhm buhm buhm buhm?"

"Yeah?"

"Well guess what the rest of the orchestra is doing?"

hums a spirited rendition of the William Tell Overture!

drcongo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Aphantasic here - I constantly have music playing in my head to the point of it being slightly annoying. If I really concentrate, I can separate out the parts like stem separation, but generally it's a fairly high fidelity recreation of the most prominent parts. There was a brilliant thread on Mastodon a couple of years ago where people (mostly musicians) were describing their inner-music abilities - mine turned out to be very ordinary. The only time mine ever approach what many of the others described is when I'm very slightly stoned - then my brain starts to compose original music at extremely high fidelity in basically any genre. I just wish I could get it out of there.