| ▲ | pembrook an hour ago | |||||||
Because while Russia was in a way stronger position than western media was portraying, they don't have an infinite capacity for pain. They would absolutely love to not be sending their kids to die and selling natural resources to whomever again and traveling around the globe without sanctions. The concessions they would have accepted at the beginning were less. However, now that they've lost so many men and risked their regime on it, they can't simply accept the same deal. This is why the incentives that wars create are so terrible, especially for authoritarian regimes, even if they're at fault. | ||||||||
| ▲ | toss1 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
Wow, clueless. You entirely miss the point of the war. Putin sees the mere existence of a successful Ukraine's as an existential threat. Putin initially got elected on promises that included becoming an advanced Western-style economy. He abandoned that to crony oligarchism, stripping the country for parts. Now, he and the Russian people see former Soviet state Ukraine actually becoming successful, well-off, and aspiring to EU membership. THAT can not be tolerated, because it would give Russian people the idea that they should have the same, and create a likely revolution at home. So Putin's goal is to wipe Ukraine not only off the map, but off the consciousness of everyone in the world as Ukrainians as a people Putin will stop until either 1) he achieves this goal, or 2) he is forced to stop. THAT is the reality. Thinking that Putin would somehow have accepted lesser sanctions earlier, and that he would have actually respected your new peace plan when he has never respected any other is to be played for a fool. Allowing 1) to happen is unacceptable. Note the Ukrainians who are directly suffering the daily assaults can think as well as you can of the "realpolitik solution", and they reject it, because they know it is absolutely stupid, and leads only to rape, torture, and death — theirs, personally. Making 2) happen is the only course of action. Ukrainians will follow it until they cannot. If you want to stop the suffering, then accelerate Russia's exit. Garry Kasparov articulated a fine plan days ago [0]: 1: Provide complete protection of Ukrainian airspace 2: Immediately send Ukraine all the weapons it needs; no delay 3: Enforce existing sanctions. To this I add including seizing Russian and Iranian shadow fleet vessels 4: Cessation of diplomatic affairs with Russia 5: Seize Russian sovereign funds immediately and use them to power the war effort in Ukraine This would be a start. Ukraine continuing its "long-range sanctions" is already bringing the Russian state coffers to rapid decline and looming budget crisis. Continuing it longer will force Putin's hand. [0] https://ukrainetoday.org/five-hammer-blows-that-could-finall... | ||||||||
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| ▲ | mopsi an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
If Russia does not have "an infinite capacity for pain", then it does not sound like an unwinnable war. Ukraine estimates that they need to inflict at least 50 000 casualties a month to break the backbone of Russian military. The latest surge has brought it to 42 000 a month, up from 30 000 earlier this year. This already exceeds recruitment and training capacity. Who are those who would love not to send their kids to die, sell resources and travel the world? Putin? His children already live a pampered life in palaces and he himself is probably the richest man in the world, currently on a trip to India. The rest don't matter. Even the head of security services Patrushev, historically the second most powerful man in the country, is scared of Putin like a schoolboy and fumbles words before him. That has been one of the most shocking revelations since the war began: that oligarchs, security services, nor anyone else can put out even the slightest opposition. The whole country dances to Putin's whims. His only real opponent is time. And Putin doesn't give a shit about Donbas. The aim is to restore the world that birthed him, the USSR at its peak. Russia has not backed one one inch from the 2021 ultimatum to return to the European political order of the 1980s. Any concession only confirms that attacking Ukraine was a viable strategy, that piece by piece he can claw his way closer to that goal. Military specialists from Northern Europe estimate that Russia would be in position to attack the Baltics and Poland (and have a reasonable chance of succeeding, especially if "realists" are at the helm in Western Europe and the USA) no more than 6 months after the war with Ukraine ends. | ||||||||