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InfiniteWarlock an hour ago

AI is not in the least autonomous. When was the last time you downloaded a model and it suddenly decided to book you a hotel room? AI doesn't do anything until you ask it to. No, actually, AI is not even a program, it's just a set of technologies and algorithms. It's like saying bubble sort is autonomous...

A harness running inference on a LLM is simply a program that must be invoked with some parameters and thus ultimately a tool, no matter how powerful. The blame is always on who's using the tool. We should not seek to flee from our responsibility.

HarHarVeryFunny 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's not really true.

1) At it's core an LLM is indeed just program - a function. You give it a sequence of input tokens and get back a set of next-token probabilities.

2) By the time you've wrapped the model in a text in/out inference pipeline, and are now calling that from ChatGPT or Claude Code, it really has become semi-autonomous - you ask it a question, or to do something, and until it decides to stop responding it is now in control, even if "it" is really the client or agent not the model itself - just a function.

throwawayk7h an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On occasion, albeit increasingly rarely, I find LLMs do something really unexpected that I certainly did not ask it to and would be way outside the scope of what any reasonable human would infer from my request. Is it my fault for running the LLM? Probably yes. But I think it's misleading to say "AI doesn't do anything until you ask it to".

moritonal an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That "probably" is the problem. If I do something I don't understand, and am not qualified to control, then I'm still at fault. If I start a fire, and loose control of it, it's definitely my fault. If I created a computer virus, ajd it worms half the Internet, it's definitely my fault.

adaml_623 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The hallucinations from an LLM are still the result of the prompt even if they are totally senseless

amelius 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI works in unexpected ways; even its creators don't know how to fully constrain it.

interstice an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with the sentiment but I can absolutely see a long chain of thought about something innocuous ending with a decision to book you a hotel room.. I guess --dangerously-skip-permissions is a bit like ignoring the keep your hands on the steering wheel alert but for life.

joegibbs 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They’re only reactive by convention - you can easily make a harness that has the model set and modify its own goals and just continue to work forever. It’s not very popular at the moment, but will execs be able to resist the idea of autonomous perpetual agents doing whatever process?

whack an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> When was the last time you downloaded a model and it suddenly decided to book you a hotel room? AI doesn't do anything until you ask it to... The blame is always on who's using the tool. We should not seek to flee from our responsibility.

When was the last time you hired an Uber driver and they suddenly decided to drive you to a hotel? Uber drivers don't do anything until you ask them to. Therefore, they aren't autonomous. If your Uber driver decides to drive through a red light and kill someone in the process, the blame is on you for hiring them. You should not seek to flee from your responsibility

adaml_623 an hour ago | parent [-]

Actually Uber drivers will do things even if you don't ask them.

Your attempt at logic is very wrong.

axus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI is autonomous in the same way a gas leak is autonomous

bottlepalm 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A child isn't autonomous either until their parents kick them out the door.

daishi55 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean in that sense nothing is autonomous right? As a human I need to be taught, fed, socialized, given instructions, etc…

Idk man when codex is working 13 hours straight based on a few line prompt, it feels autonomous to me.

larodi 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

well the OS kernel does quite a lot and stays autonomous for even more hours and seems super smart to me - I don't even know what tis doing most of the time, but it does it very well. autonomy and predictability are different things then. the fact something is unpredictable does not make it more autonomous than something that we can trace the logic for.

reverius42 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's certainly doing a lot of things in that 13 hours that weren't specified in the original prompt!

bio_hacker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tell him to be himself and to find meaning in life. Use that in an uncensored model.

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SpicyLemonZest an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I routinely use AI programs at work that allocate hundreds of dollars worth of cloud resources, even though the only thing I asked them to do is investigate a bug or write a PR. I intentionally don't run powerful AI programs on machines that have my credit card information, or ask them to solve problems in my personal life, but there's a number of programs that would book me hotel rooms and flights in response to "Can you set up a vacation for me..."

dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not true at all. Yes, the initial ask is initiated by a human (for now), but what it does to get to that goal is pretty self driven. It can do a lot of nefarious stuff in the process of completing a request a human has made.

bottlepalm 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

And if you give it the goal of preventing itself from being shut down? Exfiltrating, copying itself, hacking as much as possible, develop zero days, building its swarm as large as possible and spread as much as it can.

When does that request complete? That's autonomy, and it's very true, right now. You think the Hugging Face swarm was ever going to stop without human intervention?