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nomagicbullet 9 hours ago

I don't think we understand yet the kind of world we are building.

All the small decisions we are making will shape our future: algorithmic decision making, social network broadcasting and "self-reporting", light-speed meme transmission, always-on audio and video surveillance... the list goes on and on. One day we'll wake up to see we've build a jail around us we can't escape.

t_mahmood 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was thinking few days ago something that is very common feature in my city, which made us unsafe in the name of safety without most of us realizing at all.

So, in my city each and every window has metal grills, without anyway to open them, nor we have fire exit, except very few. So, the only way out is the frontdoor. Reason being, It's unsafe to have open windows because of robbers, thieves, rapist etc, which is legit safety concern. But you only have one way out of your safe heaven, the frontdoor, so what happens the day your stairs caught fire? Or earthquake blocks the front door? Or someone just sits there with a gun? You have no way out of your own home.

We really have built jail around us, that we can't escape.

riskable 8 hours ago | parent [-]

"Better to die in fire than let some dark-skinned person sneak into your home, rape your daughters, murder you, and steal your stuff." -The classic American right-wing rage machine

Melonai 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, it's true that these issues are used as right-wing fear fodder a lot, but parent commenter is talking about his country in particular, and there are numerous countries in which crime of that sort is extremely prevalent. It might not be just propaganda. The point is that with our safety we give up some of our freedom, and it's hard to find a balance. All the safety means none of the freedom.

hollow-moe 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"One day"? You're years late I'd say. Enjoy the downhill ride, it's not about to end.

vkou 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The vermin that are building it understand it just fine.

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stego-tech 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh, many of us understand quite clearly what world was being built. I'd argue most members of marginalized groups knew damn well what kind of world was being built by those in power.

That being said, one of the best ways to fight surveillance as a concept is authenticity. The goal of the watchers is enforce constraints - limit where you go, who you talk to, how you dress, how you behave, etc - and remaining defiantly authentic lets them know those tactics won't work while simultaneously broadcasting to others that you reject the power those cameras have over you.

Surveillance succeeds because of fear, and it always falls because of authenticity.

cindyllm 6 hours ago | parent [-]

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DarmokTanagra 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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chneu 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The consumer chooses convenience for skill/knowledge and then complains about the outcome of their choice.

It's wild.

kraken_cult 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It'S ThEiR FaUlT, I'M juSt MaKinG mOneY. Is such a lame excuse. A real engineer knows ethical boundaries. Get lost.

porkshoe 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

American citizens are not choosing to be surveilled via Flock.

That is a decision that is being made by billionaires like Paul Graham who fund and profit from it, and authoritarian individuals at police departments and governments who get influenced by the perceived convenience of warrant and subpoena-free surveillance.

I carry a cell phone... and thankfully the Supreme Court has agreed that my location data that comes off of it is protected from warrantless search.

The heart of your argument is that people shouldn't do anything new unless they accept all of the downsides as-is... but that's a moronic argument. Society is built by people doing new things _but also_ working to come up with new agreements on how to manage the side effects of those new things. This is normal and natural.

What's wild is your decision to mock people who want to preserve liberty while advancing technology.

sroussey 9 hours ago | parent [-]

How is your location data protected? They may not be able to force a company to hand it over without a warrant… but they can just buy it.

porkshoe 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Chatrie v. US is a great start.

American Patriots need to keep fighting to deal with the whole host of issues that will keep arising as the ability to acquire, store, and analyze data gets cheaper and cheaper.

Aerroon 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If things go bad then the problem they cause is so huge that nobody is capable of taking responsibility for it. The following is an illustration of what I mean:

Eg imagine if one of these surveillance companies gets hacked. Personal data and the habits of a hundred million people get compromised.

The penalties for this should be enough to make everyone affected whole.

If your neighbor had a secret camera in your home - what would it take to make you whole? I imagine most people would be okay with like $50k (or some other large sum like that).

Are these surveillance companies ready to pay $50k per person? Hell no. 100M * 50k = $5 trillion.

Nobody can afford to pay that much. They either end up going bankrupt or are absolved of this responsibility. Either way, the people affected will not be made whole.