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hakunin 5 hours ago

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

qsort 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Quoting from the official website:

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The new procedure targets inappropriate behavior by parents and spectators directed at children, coaching staff members, referees, match officials, or other parents and spectators. This includes, but is not limited to:

Verbal abuse (insults or profanity), as well as physical assault or shoving of one’s own children;

Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of staff members of one’s own team;

Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of players or staff members of the opposing team;

Continuous challenging, verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of referees and match officials;

Verbal or physical altercations with other parents or spectators.

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If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game, then yes, abandoning the match is probably the right choice. I assume they are only defining a formal procedure for practices that already exist.

Loughla 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game

It's not extremely common in my area, but it is more common than you would think. Parents treat their children like lottery tickets when it comes to athletics. And God help you if you're the unfortunate umpire at a travel league game that makes a questionable call.

The youth sports industry is fucking gross and nobody seems to notice.

Source: we will not let our children participate in travel leagues and they do not want to participate in them either, for this specific reason.

dylan604 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I spent several years as a soccer ref including high school matches. It never failed that every time I hit my whistle, the side of the stadium opposite of the direction of me signaling the foul would always erupt in jeers. You could always tell the helicopter parents complaining about non-calls not appreciating that soccer is a contact sport. There was only one game where the officiating crew was escorted by police, but I really felt that was over blowing the situation. There was the one game were we had to temporarily suspend the match because of gunfire in the area not aimed at the pitch, but uncomfortably close.

The funny thing is, I became a ref because I was giving the ref of one of the games I was on the touchline coaching wasn't abusive, but definitely a constant barrage of second guessing. At the end of the match, one of the association members suggest that if I didn't like the level of refereeing that I should become a ref myself. I accepted the Pepsi challenge that rest of history. My favorite experience was a coach that was getting a bit grating. I remembered a line an old timer mentioned that I decided to give a try, "hey coach! you got an assistant? you better get 'em warmed up!"

As a coach, the absolute worst part of the 10 year experience absolutely was the parents. Luckily, I never had abusive parts. It was always over excited cheering for the dumbest things from people that had no clue about tactics and thinking that blindly booting the ball up the pitch was awesome. We had no player with the speed or skill of going over the top route one, so it was just a dumb play. Usually, by the end of the season some of the other parents could usually get them calmed down. It also helped to remind some of the over the top parents that this was recreational play, and everyone got the same t-shirt at the end of the season. Nobody was getting scholarships. It was basically bragging rights for the kids back at school.

steveBK123 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I umpired baseball in my early teens and even 30 years ago it was bad.

Grown men getting into the face of 14 years old umpires over calls, at games for kids barely out of tee-ball. It just doesn’t matter that much.

I remember a coach who would flip over 20 gallon coolers and send ice and drinks flying in the dugout.. in front of his team of 10 years old umpires olds.

chneu 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I officiated basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball about 15-20 years ago on the west coast.

It was bad then. So many drunk parents in baseball. I tossed parents from basketball games for cussing at their kids. Volleyball was pretty chill tho.

verve_rat an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>youth sports industry

Yup, well there's your problem.

bawolff 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

..physical assault or shoving of one’s own children

damn. I feel like ideally the police or CPS should be called. Forfeiting the game seems like a mild consequence.

enaaem 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Happened last week in the Netherlands. The home team (FC Utrecht) played terrible. They were down 3-1. Hooligans threw fireworks on the pitch and the match got suspended. The match was resumed three days later. Utrecht played much better en got a 3-3 draw.

sixo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I imagine this is the referee's call; a ref ought to know better than to abort the game because the losing team is throwing a tactical tantrum.

beart 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ref is impartial and their only job is to manage the game according to law. If a team's fans are misbehaving to the point the game must be abandoned, it doesn't matter one iota to the ref if those fans are tanking on purpose. The league can deal with that.

onlypassingthru 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's placing a lot of faith in the maturity and tactical awareness of a teenager. I don't know about the games in Romania, but here in the US, the youth soccer referees are mostly older youths.

mbreese 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In the US, only the youngest games have teenage refs (U10 and younger). And even then, it is only common in the lower competitive tiers. Competitive travel/select league games generally have adult refs (national and regional leagues).

The money is pretty decent for two hours of work (and you can work games back to back to back).

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beart 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your comment implies the youth refs are the exception, but the VAST majority of play are at these lower competitive levels, and it is FAR more common to have youth or inexperienced refs than otherwise.

mbreese 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m saying that when you get to have games involving kids older than 10, that having teenage refs is more uncommon.

In my area, there are a number of leagues. Only one has a large number of teenagers in the ref pool and they only are center refs for the youngest players. For the more competitive leagues, you almost never have a ref crew made up of only teenagers. Here, young refs are generally protected by having older refs as part of the crew. There is a whole system behind referee scheduling that most people don’t know about.

(Also, this about soccer in the US, I have no idea how other sports schedule their officials)

itsmartapuntocm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would assume it’s treated as if the team of the offending parent has abandoned the match.

daveguy 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This makes more sense. Automatic loss for the offending parent.

wizzwizz4 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In which case, abusive parents can use the rule to retaliate against their children. Never define a rule that gives bad actors power to dictate policy. (Note: this criticism doesn't seem to apply to the actual rule.)

nullisland00 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Safety is far more important than deciding who won a youth match

ycombinete 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One can imagine overzealous parents tactically causing a scene to nullify a match result.