Disagree about the burden of proof. We have no better model for how human decision making works than LLMs. Humans are constantly predicting the next moment. We certainly have a different “tokenizer” and training set, but many of the concepts underpinning LLMs are both biologically inspired and, likely, have similar consequences and emergent architectures.

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teiferer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We certainly have a different “tokenizer” and training set, but many of the concepts underpinning LLMs are both biologically inspired and, likely, have similar consequences and emergent architectures.

My kids tricycle certainly has a different gear setup and wheel diameter, but many of the concepts underpinning the tricycle are both inspired by F1 race car enineering and, likely, have similar consequences and emergent architectures.

Or have they?

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psma_egeliaa an hour ago | parent [-]

This is why I hate analogies. They're almost always either relevant or inapposite depending on the level of generalization we're operating on.

	▲	DrewADesign an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It sucks because I think analogies can be useful in helping people make a mental model of complex things, which is meaningfully beneficial. The problems happen when people aren’t honest about the limits of the analogies, which is damned-near guaranteed to happen with this stuff.

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DrewADesign 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We have no better model for how human decision making works than LLMs

This is a claim that requires a lot of citations.

> biologically inspired

Nature inspires a lot of creation, but superficial similarities don’t mean other aspects are similar. Making an extremely realistic sculpture of a soufflé, even using a foam medium, doesn’t bring me any closer to being a chef, doesn’t mean I know anything about albumen foams, sauces, and heat transfer, and it doesn’t bring me any closer to having dinner ready. Browning on top of a soufflé is evidence of maillardization. You could pull up some studies on that and claim the brown on top of the soufflé sculpture, which I applied with an airbrush, proved that the Maillard reaction was occurring, and if another person didn’t know anything about cooking, they might even believe you. It would, of course, be completely wrong. And the other person, of course, could loudly exclaim that I can’t prove that there was no maillardization.

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fn-mote 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Humans are constantly predicting the next moment

This is really not my experience of consciousness.

Is it yours??

Do you sit in meetings predicting what’s going to happen next? No, you sit there bored out of your f$$@ing mind, daydreaming about being somewhere else and doing something useful with your life.

God help me if that’s what LLMs are doing when I ask them to build me a web site.

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oblio 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> We have no better model for how human decision making works than LLMs

We do have some models and guess what, they're based on simpler animals. Which is most likely the better model.

Some other models are based on neurosciences, because we can track electrical activity.