'Fingerprints' inside the Sun could reveal if it once swallowed a planet

mturk 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

MESA, a piece of software referenced in this article, is a pretty incredible system. (Even referring to it as software underplays the extent of its community and impact.)

Many people are involved in MESA and Bill Paxton was always quick to point out the many new folks that worked on it, but this article does a great job of celebrating his impact:

https://www.kitp.ucsb.edu/news/an-accidental-astrophysicist

It's amazing to me that he went from being the voice on the other end of the Mother Of All Demos to having such a major impact on stellar astrophysics during his "retirement." He passed away in 2025.

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A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Their results favour a scenario in which the young Sun engulfed a super-Earth around 5–10 times the mass of Earth

Given the state of the early solar system, it would be surprising if the Sun didn't swallow a lot of metallic and carbonaceous rocks and pebbles. But it seems unclear to me how the researchers would distinguish between one super-Earth and >10^10 smaller rocks? Chemically I feel the two would be largely the same.

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cfiggers 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's easy, they'll check whether there's one big fingerprint vs >10^10 little tiny fingerprints and conclude accordingly \j

	▲	amelius an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Not if the EU has a say about it. Those rocks and pebbles have a right to privacy and fingerprinting is off the table.

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hydrogen7800 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>But it seems unclear to me how the researchers would distinguish between one super-Earth and >10^10 smaller rocks?

I have a similar feeling when life on earth is suggested to be "alien", arriving via debris in the solar system as the earth formed. Isn't everything in the solar system coalesced from the same debris?

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jojobas 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

The life-bearing debris would have to arrive quite some time after formation of Earth, as it was molten. Surviving atmospheric entry is hard, surviving after landing in lava is impossible.

	▲	hydrogen7800 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I was going to expand on my comment about the difference between alien and non-alien being a difference only in time. It's all from the same stuff.

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bell-cot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This, but how do they rule out the extra stuff landing in the sun much earlier - when the solar system was still a pre-solar nebula, and which bits would end up where (sun vs. planets vs. whatever) was far from settled?

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omnicognate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Researchers also found that such a world could survive its passage through the Sun's outer layers while losing very little mass, which suggests that planets may leave detectable fingerprints inside their host stars long after they have disappeared.

So I guess the large size would have permitted it to smuggle stuff into the core that would have just vaporised in the corona if carried by many smaller objects?

	▲	monster_truck 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Sounds reasonable to me. But also what the fuck happens to the core of such a planet when that happens? We aren't actually sure what gave our core the spin it has, right? I'm not fully awake yet but I think it's plain where I'm going with this.

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N_Lens 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s it Apollo! Spit it out, what’s in your mouth, spit it out now!

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hnd9q09qk4 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did stellar abundance fits in grad school, getting the Teff systematics out took months.

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run-good-code an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I saw the word 'Fingerprints', I thought it was a brilliant expression.

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Martin_Silenus an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I once ate a peanut too.