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bigyabai 2 hours ago

> and to have democratic control of the development of the technology

Why? I don't care about democratically participating in a closed model's development. It doesn't belong to me.

China will develop whatever they want, a federal stake in OpenAI or Anthropic punishes Americans and shields US labs from legitimate competition.

dorolow 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In my mind, democratic control of the technology means that we (the govt, or other empowered agency) take ownership of their assets and IP, solve or find a level of alignment or guardrails that society is comfortable with. Then we distribute the technology, or access to it, to avoid power concentration. This would also certainly require international coordination with China on a slowdown or pause, which I think is possible.

pibaker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> This would also certainly require international coordination with China on a slowdown or pause

Personally I think the country with a strictly meritocratic elite selection system that also just outright kills you if you sell weed will have a hard time sympathizing with Bay Area thinkers who talk about AI killing us all during their ayahuasca breakfast before returning to their meth fueled crunch towards releasing the next version of the AI that will kill us all.

derektank 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>I think the country with a strictly meritocratic elite selection system

Not really relevant to the broader discussion, but this simply isn’t an accurate description of China. Starting with the gaokao, admission quotas are set by province and admits to Peking university and Tsinghua are disproportionately from the urban professional class. Candidate party members must be politically vetted, which means that people whose families have expressed anti-communist views, are members of banned organizations (e.g. falun gong), or have substantial criminal records will not be permitted to advance. And once you make it into the party and enter political service, your advancement relies upon opaque patronage networks that someone without connections is unlikely to be able to navigate, even if they successfully satisfy the economic metrics the state assigns them.

I don’t want to overstate this, the Chinese system does filter out a lot of chaff and the current Chinese leadership has a lot of very capable people in positions of power. But I do not think it is substantially more meritocratic than Western political institutions

maxglute a few seconds ago | parent [-]

> substantially more meritocratic

Of course it is, your analysis of the entire incentive structure is off.

1) this 2026, patronage networks are broadly dismantled.

2) even in the mass patronage, mass corruption days, system system selects for BOTH corruption competence AND performance competence for the simple reason a CCP bureaucrat has to start from the bottom and climb, which means they need to be good with patronage AND they need to be good with hitting KPIs. If more meritocratic they are at doing their actual jobs, the higher they climbed, the more they get promoted, because ability to graft directly tied to actual job competence. Hence even cliques/patronage network has to select for actual competence. This works in PRC because there are many people, and hence pool of competence is high, they can have BOTH corruption and competence, i.e. whatever pool they draw from is ultimately filtered by performance meritocracy due to incentive structure. There is reason why PRC only country where position corruption levels was correlated to positive growth.

This is not the western system where any retard can enter politics at anytime, and they only domain they need to optimize for is popularity to get votes.

CCP cadre evaluation strictly does not evaluate on popularity domain. It focuses on administration/execution and in so much it needs to focus on patronage... which btw any political system has factions/cliques... the patronage system itself fundamentally biases towards selects for candidates with execution, not popularity... i.e. functionally what west selects IS mass patronage (popularity), so attention meritocracy and not performance meritocracy, aka completely stupid incentive structure for governance.

dorolow an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You're in luck, neither I nor anyone else want those people near a negotiation table.