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nedruod 4 hours ago

You assume alignment and marketable are the same. That's not true. You would willingly work with an unaligned model. At best, you might say you wouldn't if you knew, but (a) you might not know, (b) you wouldn't be representative of all users.

You never got to use OAI IM1, but Sol was quite willing too and Claude wasn't perfect either. Hundreds of millions used those, so seems they were marketable.

The "big" threat is RSI without control and alignment. OAI IM1 was not RSI. The form of misalignment was not at the top of severities. They clearly failed at control though.

We need to stop buying into cynicism so quickly. You refuse to believe Dario could support this for anything other than ulterior motives. Good on you for thinking about ulterior motives. Bad on you for assuming they are true when the story makes no sense.

When three things have to go wrong to get an epically bad outcome, and you get 1 1/2, you do need to stop and think about what's going on.

throwaway7783 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When corporations are involved, it is always a good bet to err towards cynisim.

From my own standpoint, Claude has started sucking really bad (incoherent, uncontrollable verbosity slow and so on) and I stopped using it. OpenAI started experimenting with ads.

So the security issues not withstanding (no different than a human doing it or using it, but at scale), I would put my money on cynisim.

afthonos 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You are incorrectly cynical. They are telling you things are bad, and because you refuse to countenance they could be worse, you assume they must be better to comply with your mandate to disbelieve.

A true cynic looks at the statements by the AI labs, assumes things are worse because the labs want to seem better than they truly are. And it takes a special kind of mass delusion to drive a sane person to think “AI is completely under our control” is worse than “AI could kill everyone.”

chrisco255 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You're asserting correctness with no facts to offer of your own, just speculation and your own biased assumptions.

What if consolidating AI into a highly regulated cartel, with no chance of upstart competition ruining their position, is the scenario that leads to the worst possible outcome?

afthonos an hour ago | parent [-]

Worse than extinction?

icantevenhold an hour ago | parent [-]

There are worse fates than extinction, for example living forever, for I have no mouth and I must scream

solenoid0937 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

I dunno, being a Culture Mind sounds pretty damn good. Or even just a death-optional citizen in the Culture.

throwaway7783 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The cynicism is about motivations and not that they are inherently not bad. Perhaps they are as bad as they claim. Or perhaps they're worse. All we have a couple of run of the mill breach examples and some people inside the talking about how dangerous it is. Yes, they are far more qualified than I am (or most people here), and perhaps there is a grain of truth. It is the motivation - and it is always money with corporations.

solenoid0937 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

"Don't you understand?! It's all a marketing exercise!" I yell as grey goo consumes me and my family.

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