I’m anti surveillance but I don’t get this take.

Every uber driver I’ve been ive been in has an inside dashcam to protect themselves and their property. I would do the same thing if I were them.

Waymo has every right to monitor their property and if someone does something illegal in their car why would they not report? An Uber driver would do the same, as would I. Otherwise you are an accomplice.

This comparison to Flock is bunk. Flock cameras are in public places and paid for with public dollars. I don’t want that.

But in a surveillance state, every private citizen should be keeping their own footage. Nobody is going to share theirs with you.

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pc86 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It depends on if you think private surveillance should exist to help the property owner in court, after something happens to them, e.g. the taxi driver getting robbed or the Waymo getting vandalized, or if you think private surveillance should exist solely to pipe any and all actual or imagined crimes to law enforcement in real time.

Private surveillance that immediately sends any and all crimes to law enforcement is indistinguishable from government surveillance and should treated the same way.

	▲	sroussey 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Private surveillance that immediately sends any and all crimes to law enforcement is indistinguishable from government surveillance and should treated the same way. Don’t use Snapchat then… https://www.gadgetreview.com/student-teacher-sent-a-private-...

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michaelt 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I’m anti surveillance but I don’t get this take.

Some people foresee a future where self-driving cars are the norm. The big prize being fewer deaths on the road (about 40k people per year in the USA) which is a pretty big prize.

If today's self-driving cars are heavy on the AI surveillance of passengers, and you foresee self-driving cars doing 90% of journeys within your lifetime, that's a pretty ominous situation.

Especially if you interpret it in light of EU driver-facing-camera mandates.

	▲	ryandrake 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I would love it if self driving cars became the norm, and I could just hop into my car, doze off, and arrive at my destination. Key word being my car, and not Waymo's car. A future where every car is self driving is a utopia, but a future where every car is hired and actually owned by a company (spying on you) is a dystopia. We should try to separate "self driving" from "owned and operated by someone else." One is good and one is very bad.

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ethanwillis 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But what if I've done nothing illegal and they only think I have?

	▲	mingus88 18 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Again, I believe every private citizen should keep their own footage for exactly this reason. Other people’s footage will only be used against you. It is a real big shame that Meta is the only one pushing personal video capture right now. It has tainted the idea of personal surveillance as a counter to all this madness.