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JohnFen 3 hours ago

If I hadn't already ditched Google long ago, this would be more than enough to chase me away.

tarkin2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are forcing my further and further towards kagi. I do hope the fawning on here is at least partly justified.

JohnFen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kagi is what I settled on a couple of years ago. I do think sometimes the fawning is over the top, but it is a solid search engine and tended to give me a bit better results than Google out of the box. The real win, though, is that you can give various sites a weight, so the search results will prefer or avoid sites according to your desires. Once I had that going, my search results tended to be much better than Google.

Zambyte 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yup, same here. Been using Kagi for years. It's boring, it just works. Hoping they can stay that way.

lukeify an hour ago | parent [-]

My ongoing concern with Kagi is they always seem to be focused on sidequests like their Orion browser and their LLM-powered Translate tool. Maybe that's interesting for some people, but I can't help but feel like I just want a damn search engine than works.

tarkin2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, that's the thing for me: filtering out the SEO crap that Google happily serves up.

Google's actual search results are a waste of time visiting, both for the mindless CEO content and the ad-laden, analytics-happy, javascript-heavy websites.

So I tend to use the AI overview. But plugging myself into the all-seeing corporate oracle, that grew on all the web's content, and now seeks to supplant it seems unseemly.

It's just sad that kagi will likely only be a fringe thing, and google will continue to promote these foul, foul, mindless websites and then supplant them with its AI.

nullfield an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t fawn, I just pay and use-and-forget. It’s almost to the point where it’s a little mental bump when I have to make a browser use it again, setting up something new.

Kagi has a pile of features I’m not getting the benefit of too, I’m sure, because it’s just-search, mostly, to me.

That’s fine; I know what I’m supporting, and I know that I’m the customer and not the product.

scottyah 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why? I don't really see why this is bad, other than if your company blocks url shorteners/redirects. What are you losing?

JohnFen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because I wouldn't want Google to know what links I click on. When I used to use Google, and they added such redirects that included the destination URL as a parameter, I'd edit the link to make it just that URL before resolving it. This new scheme would make that impossible.

brainwad an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They own the JS on the page, they don't need the redirects to know where you clicked...

googapologist 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

You've been awarded one (1) Dunning-Krugerrand.

They own the JS but that is not enough. Don't assert so confidently that they can do this without redirects.

(See my other comments for a hint on why.)

what 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They already knew which links you clicked on though…

googapologist 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

You've been awarded one (1) Dunning-Krugerrand.

They do not, so don't assert so confidently that they do.

(See my other comments for a hint on why.)

nextaccountic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use a Firefox extension to rewrite those Google redirects into plain links, to remove Google tracking of which links I click. The extension is broken now

Fabricio20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Blocking URL shorteners and google-ad links yes! Personally for me it's also the fact that this is effectively an unresolvable URL shortener, store that link somewhere and it will most likely be dead. Can't copy link anymore and paste it on a notepad or chat app to check it out later as there isn't a guarantee it will load at all (ie: the problem with url shorteners).