| ▲ | psvv 3 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think the parent comment meant professional, high-level chess. The kind people get played to play, not just do for a hobby. That's absolutely on life support. I'm not sure what the equivalent would look like in the math field, but it probably involves a lot of mathematicians losing their jobs and the quality of human-produced math decreasing overall. The quality of the math in general would be fine, since in this scenario cpus will keep producing it. The quality of cpu-cpu chess games is quite high, beyond human understanding in many cases. Chess is a weird example because it doesn't really have any utility beyond itself. Even pure math sometimes ends up having use in the strangest places. Although if no one understands the frontier math (because no one is getting paid to), I'm not sure it even matters what the quality of the cpu math is? It's a bit like a tree falling in a forest. If an LLM proves a theorem but no one understands it, did it make a sound? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jasonfarnon 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"Although if no one understands the frontier math (because no one is getting paid to), I'm not sure it even matters what the quality of the cpu math is?" Presumably AI will be connect the dots to the applications. As the declaration says, this isn't just about math. Human understanding is losing economic value. You can understand stuff on your own time, I guess. The standard justification for pure math to holders of purse-strings is something like "it might lead to a useful application down the road, like crypto, who knows". That looks pretty inefficient now. We have to entertain the possibility that AI can develop the math needed for any application we put to it. Eg if number theory didn't exist, we could have asked AI for a way to transit messages securely and it would maybe come up with fermats little theorem as part of its solution or maybe come up with an approach we can't conceive of right now seeing as most of us are constrained to available number theory. Like how in the last year when I give an LLM a programming project I see it doesnt even bother with of the many software libraries I and others have written and just codes up the calls it needs on the fly or finds some other ad hoc solution. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | stabbles 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mathematics is more than establishing arbitrary facts (although some look like curiosities), it's also defining what interesting research directions are and establishing common language/notation. I think that will stay relevant? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | fidotron 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> It's a bit like a tree falling in a forest. If an LLM proves a theorem but no one understands it, did it make a sound? But in future most proofs will be for consumption by other AI models in the pursuit of yet other proofs. It's kind of surprising so many mathematicians act surprised by this given this was clearly where automated proof assistants would lead. I guess they assumed they'd always be the ones guiding them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | charcircuit 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>but no one understands it, did it make a sound? Does your "one" only contain humans or does it also contain other AI systems. AI math is not a single monolithic thing, but a distributed one. I see value in sharing proofs even among just AI. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||