As the saying goes: “the dose makes the poison”. Many (perhaps most) drugs cause harm at the wrong dosage.

embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Many (perhaps most) drugs cause harm at the wrong dosage.

Not only drugs, almost everything is bad at the wrong dosage. Case in point: water.

	▲	LoganDark 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Tonicity matters too. Deionized water will suck the ions right out of you. All the way to your death if you're so determined.

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quchen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on your definition of poison of course, but at least for LSD and magic mushrooms, all that's known is a lower bound for their biological toxicity. For LSD IIRC it's somewhere in the 30mg (!) range, for mushrooms it's more than can comfortably fit a stomach. I'm afraid I don't have sources handy though.

That said, the state of mind must be so wild that "is it poisonous in this specific/usual sense" is probably not the right thing to discuss.

	▲	LoganDark an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> That said, the state of mind must be so wild that "is it poisonous in this specific/usual sense" is probably not the right thing to discuss. I've struggled to tell the difference between doses of LSD that exceed 100µg. Maybe I just take it too frequently to make much of a difference. It's also possible that it only increases duration, but not intensity.

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mannanj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So for mold, low enough doses aren't poison? Can't you just say this about anything. If you have poison in a low enough dose it's not poison. So it means jsut about nothing to say alcohol isn't poisonous because you can have a small dose of it.

	▲	nickff an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Fentanyl is actually much more toxic than the mycotoxins produced by mold (which I'm guessing is what you're referring to), and yet fentanyl is generally recognized to be a useful drug because of its therapeutic effects. If something has no possible therapeutic, recreational, nutritional, or culinary effect, while being toxic, it might be fair to characterize it as a 'pure poison'.