Given that many of our current-day subterranean environments are also covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia, can we really say that it played a key role in the rise of the civilization?

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theplumber 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, like this zombie civilisation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i2k7KQ5L5Jg I am not sure if you can say it’s raising or falling by their posture

	▲	fhdkweig an hour ago \| parent [-]
		My spidy sense is tingling on this video. The related recommendations on the side include these videos: In particular it is the thumbnails that look identical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6NeLNYCGo0 The Zombies Of America! (i have never seen anything like this..) by Frank van Dam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN0PNZVWNA Inside Philadelphia's Real Life Zombie Outbreak by Tyler Oliveira https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZCX1Y0ZiA THE ZOMBIES OF AMERICA (I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS) by Joe HaTTab

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gchamonlive 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All you can really say is that negligence is corrosive to civilization, and maybe that drugs act as an amplifier of sorts for society's illnesses and qualities.

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boogieknite 4 hours ago | parent [-]

could also say a corroded civilization makes vulnerable people feel bad and drugs make them feel good

	▲	TimTheTinker 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		drugs have been making people feel good (and messing with their sense of motivation to behave responsibly) regardless of society's state

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dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can 100% say that European civilization was heavily, heavily influenced by the consumption of alcohol.

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Gualdrapo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you mean "was"?

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kekebo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Supposedly there was a time when drinking beer was often safer than drinking water from available sources, including for children. I guess there are levels

	▲	onlypassingthru 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		They didn't make Arnold a saint for nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_of_Soissons
	▲	AngryData 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		A lot of it was weaker small beer though too, like 1-2%.

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sophacles 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, it's really gross that coffee cups are left all over the place. But yeah, rise in caffeine consumption in place of ethanol is thought to have enabled and fueled the enlightenment, and been a major factor in the industrial revolution.

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clickety_clack 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I meant the graffiti and needles in tunnels and under bridges etc.

	▲	sophacles 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I know what you meant. But the words you used apply to my reply too. It's a reminder that any attempt at an objective definition of "drugs" includes alcohol and caffeine, and that there is a huge cultural component to "good drugs" and "bad drugs". In fact, coffee was considered one of the bad drugs by many cultures it when first introduced to them - including European culture.