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samlambert 7 hours ago

Neki right now:

Multiple live shards: yes

Query routing across shards: yes

Online shard splitting: yes

Zero-downtime resharding: yes

Multiple independent shard groups: yes

Data topology management: yes

HA / automated failover: yes

Multi-AZ: yes

Connection pooling: yes

Online schema changes: yes

Workflow-driven migrations/cutovers: yes

Zero-downtime imports: yes

CDC / logical replication: yes

Online Postgres version upgrade workflows: yes

Cross-shard transactions: coming

Multigres today:

Multiple live shards: no

Query routing across shards: no

Online shard splitting: no

Resharding: no

Multiple shard groups: no

HA / failover: yes

Multi-AZ: yes

Connection pooling: yes

Logical replication/import work: in progress

Distributed migration/resharding workflows: no

How it is an it's an alternative? Do you just say things without validating?

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jjice 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Comes off a bit rude, especially from the CEO.

I get that PlanetScale has the currently superior product, and I listed the closest thing to it. You're right it's not ready, but in the case that the parent had mentioned of closed-source making it a deal breaker, it's the best alternative.

Neki looks like a good product, and I trust that something coming from the folks behind Vitess is going to be a damn fine offering, but some of us don't love tying our workloads to fully proprietary products. I wouldn't even want to host something like this myself, but knowing there's a path out of the proprietary hosting (which we've seen time and time again is something we should plan for) is critical for a lot of us when choosing solutions as important as our data layer.

If I needed a truly sharded PG at the moment, Neki is probably the best option I could find.

As for the "alternative" argument specifically, it's not on par at the moment, you're right, but that's their goal and they're attempting to fill the same void. In the case of someone who has a requirement their solution be open source, then Neki is flat out of the running too.

I'm rooting for a good Postgres sharding solution to come out. Your team appears to be doing some good work. I would also like to see where both Neki and Multigres are in five years.

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samlambert 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not being rude, I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours. Saying it's an open source alternative when it is clearly not is incredibly disingenuous.

Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work.

Supabase hire companies to write fake AI slop to slander competitors. https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-co... They also claim ownership over projects they dont contribute to https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 (they have no vitess maintainers on staff now and they did not then either)

This is who you are carrying water for.

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jjice 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours

Not sure how I wrote your product off. I spoke about how it wasn't open, which it isn't.

> Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work.

Good on your team. I believe the animosity here is mostly in our differing opinions of the word "alternative".

> This is who you are carrying water for.

I am not "carrying water". I listed another company. I've never used a Supabase product.

All this because I mentioned something that was open and in the same lane as your new product.

How's this: I won't refer to it as an alternative because it isn't up to at feature parity yet. That's fair. I will however say that you've taken multiple angles unrelated to the original core of my first reply's parent that was that Neki is not open source. That is true and many of us will see it as a downside when chosing a product. That isn't bad. That's just a thing that is.

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