Iran probably wasn't following the JCPOA, denied inspectors access to certain sites, and you'd also have to say you 100% trust American intelligence to verify that Iran isn't building a nuclear weapon in secret and if you want to do that I've got a war to sell you in Iraq.

Separately that doesn't resolve the other issues, funding militant groups, &c.

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SimianSci 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Using your reasoning, you can basically throw out any structured system that doesn't comply with your own untrustworthy feelings of security. You can essentially point at any shadow within the borders of Iran and claim there are hidden actors conspiring towards your undoing.

What aside from their total annihilation or subjugation would ever convince you of your (Israel's) safety?

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ericmay 3 hours ago | parent [-]

But using your own reasoning then Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so they are also throwing out a structured system that doesn't comply with their own feelings.

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cdmckay 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There’s zero evidence Iran was developing nuclear weapons

	▲	nekusar 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Then I have some Siemanns Uranium Hexafluoride centrifuges for sale. Just have to come to Natanz, Iran! They might have blown up due to the Israeli malware incident.

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dalyons 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you think in the current situation they are more or less likely to try for a nuke than before?

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ericmay 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think there's any change. But I think it's less possible.

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etchalon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's zero evidence its less possible, including counter evidence it remains possible because we keep being told we have to attack Iran to prevent them from attaining a nuclear weapon.

So apparently, we've yet to do anything to prevent them from doing it.

We've just killed children.

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ericmay 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> We've just killed children.

They killed more than 30,000 of their own people including children and support terrorist regimes in multiple countries that also kill children.

> There's zero evidence its less possible

On the other hand we bombed the nuclear facilities so what increase in nuclear weapons capability do they have that you are thinking about here? If there's something that has changed I'd be curious to read about it or your thoughts since that would change my opinion.

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etchalon an hour ago | parent [-]

So your argument is its cool that we killed children because they've also killed children? Hell of a take.

The evidence we bombed their nuclear facilities is essentially this administration telling us we bombed their nuclear facilities.

This administration does not have a track record of providing the public with honest assessments of their success.

If we've successfully stopped them from developing a nuclear weapon, which was stated as the point of our preemptive aggression, I'd need a very good reason why we continue to spend billions attacking them.

	▲	ericmay 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> So your argument is its cool that we killed children because they've also killed children? Hell of a take. No my take is we do it by accident and they do it on purpose and at a much larger scale and instead of pearl clutching about the US doing it on accident you should be pearl clutching about Iran doing it. I didn’t bring it up, but anytime someone brings up this whole “US killed kids” I’m happy to remind everyone that Iran is far worse. > The evidence we bombed their nuclear facilities is essentially this administration telling us we bombed their nuclear facilities. So? Do you not believe anything anyone says unless you see it for yourself? > If we've successfully stopped them from developing a nuclear weapon, which was stated as the point of our preemptive aggression, I'd need a very good reason why we continue to spend billions attacking them. Stopping the development of a nuclear weapon is an important goal but not the only one. We keep defending ourselves because they keep doing things like launching rockets at Kuwait, or shooting at American ships, or supporting those committing genocide or murder in Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, and Yemen. There is a very simple solution. Iran stops funding these groups, stops murdering their own people, stop launching rockets, and stops trying to build nuclear weapons. Once they do that and behave responsibility like just about every other country on the planet there aren’t any problems. Why is it that they can’t just stop doing these things?

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vjvjvjvjghv 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they are more motivated than ever and other countries will follow. North Korea shows that Trump will kiss the ass of countries that have nuclear weapons, no matter how bad they are. And he will kick around countries that don’t have them. If I were Iran, I would put every possible effort into obtaining nuclear weapons. Probably from Trump’s best friend Kim Jong Un.

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mmooss 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Iran probably wasn't following the JCPOA

When are you talking about and what is that based on? It was the US that withdrew; the other countries continued. US intelligence concluded that Iran had no nuclear weapons program (or maybe, no active one; I don't recall).

> you'd also have to say you 100% trust American intelligence to verify

Nope, the plan was for the IEA to do their thing with on-the-ground inspectors, sensors, etc. As just one example, nuclear materials leak radiation and they can find indications of it in air, soil, etc., around faciltiies. Edit: Also, many other countries were involved and looking closely, including European powers and Israel.

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mikem170 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Iran probably wasn't following the JCPOA

Source?

	▲	ericmay 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		They deny access to “military sites” where nuclear research is done. I mean it’s not like they’re stupid or something.