Have you actually read the article? They point out multiple times that they like the Waymo ride and would use one again and loved it. It's not a Waymo-bashing article, it cautions against the long term effects on research.

And here you have it — I used an LLM-ism. Oh, and now another one! Time to downvote me for supposed LLM use! (Which I obviously didn't, I'm typing this on an ancient smartphone waiting for a train, but that doesn't deter the witch hunters.)

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meowface a day ago | parent | next [-]

You actually didn't. The construct is slightly different.

I use LLMs all day every day. I think they're great. I just don't like humans who put their name to what an LLM did.

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teiferer a day ago | parent [-]

> You actually didn't. The construct is slightly different.

Well I know that I did, so you are wrong with that claim, which sheds a strong (negative) light on other statements of fact that you posted in this discussion.

You may disagree with me, or I may even have gotten something wrong, but just claiming I didn't read the article ... sorry man, I thought HN had higher standards than that.

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no_multitudes a day ago | parent | next [-]

They were pointing out that "It's not a Waymo-bashing article, it cautions against the long term effects on research." does not sound like LLM-generated text.

It would sound kind of LLM-y if you had said "It's not an anti-Waymo article. It's an article about how assistive technology is quietly degrading research."

(Of course, the correct approach to detecting AI is not counting LLM-isms, but feeding long-form text through a classifier model and picking up statistical correlations that are more in-distribution with LLM text than human text.)

	▲	meowface 20 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Correct. I was already pretty sure, but I wouldn't have written that post without checking Pangram first.

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meowface 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"It's not a Waymo-bashing article, it cautions against the long term effects on research." is not an LLMism. It superficially resembles one, but that's it.

(Nor is what I just wrote, there.)

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wrsh07 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they were referring to your fake llmism

	▲	teiferer a day ago \| parent [-]
		Ah thanks. Fair.

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sdthjbvuiiijbb a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Calling it "witch hunting" is just dishonest. That term implies a baseless overreaction to a heavily exaggerated or imagined threat.

That's hardly what's going on here. Unlike witches, AI slop really is everywhere and it's pretty clear that this article is slop.

I find complaining about AI callouts to be itself deeply distasteful although it would take some thought to put my finger on the exact reasons why.

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teiferer a day ago | parent [-]

Yes AI slop is prevalent. But the casualties that get thrown under the bus are also real, don't you agree? Is it really worth it to sacrifice those? In the name of the larger good?

I'm arguing that we're losing something by doing so, as a community.

> I find complaining about AI callouts

If they are correct then I'm all for it. But just suspicions turned into statements of fact are not helping anybody. People used em dashes before LLMs Not nearly as much as LLMs, but superficially judging people isn't doing any good.

I'd compare this with pitchforks coming out agains criminal immigrants. Yes, some immigrants are criminal. Doesn't mean that if you stand in central Copenhagen and have a dark skinned person in front of you that it's a criminal.

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wrsh07 a day ago | parent [-]

The rule of thumb is simple: if most of a user or author's writing is consistently human-generated, then I think we are very happy giving them the benefit of the doubt if one article or snippet flags the actually good ai detector

Unfortunately, many of the largest voices against pangram simply don't like it because it gives their lies less credibility.

I don't mind reading llm writing, indeed, I read more llm writing per day than most. But if you're using LLMs to increase the level of slop (blog posts, comments, tweets, etc) then we should call people out.

It's a colossal waste of everyone's time and attention, and we should be mad about it.

Late edit: if people are actually writing and it's consistently flagged by pangram (this is a statement I have not yet seen validated), the pangram folks are extremely proactive and excited to understand what's going on. This notion that somehow the authors of slop are victims is complete nonsense.

	▲	teiferer a day ago \| parent [-]
		> if most of a user or author's writing is consistently human-generated, then I think we are very happy giving them the benefit of the doubt if one article or snippet flags the actually good ai detector I would agree to that approach. But that didn't happen here. Nobody has done that due diligence and folks are just blindly accusing. The author has published for many years. That's what I'm calling out. > This notion that somehow the authors of slop are victims is complete nonsense. Strawman? I didn't claim that or anything close to it. I also find the prevalence of slop writing hugely annoying.