> they seem to be buying physical copies and scanning. Seems legit, that's what a human would do to learn from a book

There’s still the open question on learn vs copy/mimic/repeat.

As a human, I can read a book I bought. I’m definitely not allowed to scan it and post its pages online and upload them to an archive of scanned PDFs without the authors’ and publishers’ permission.

IIRC the Meta legal case wasn’t even about LLMs, they just torrented and shared pirated files, whether with strangers or among employees. Those may or may not have been later used for training, but it was already illegal to just share among employees.

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applicative 2 days ago | parent [-]

The topic was training. You cropped text to change it. Maybe consider integrity.

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rsstack 2 days ago | parent [-]

Which part from the cropped text do you think changes anything?

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rcxdude a day ago | parent [-]

When you talk about this part:

>I’m definitely not allowed to scan it and post its pages online and upload them to an archive of scanned PDFs without the authors’ and publishers’ permission.

That's explicitly not what they are doing. They are scanning it and then training on the scan. They are allowed to do this in much the same way you are: format shifting for personal use is also allowed (much as the DMCA likes to get in the way with DRM'd media).

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rsstack a day ago | parent [-]

I didn't realize Anthropic is a person and doing all of this for his/her/their personal use that is never shared with anyone else, and even more never for financial gain. What a fun hobby. /s

It might still be allowed for other reasons, but "personal use" isn't what they claim in court.

I am not allowed to read a book many times until I memorize it, and later record an audiobook of one of its chapters for money.

	▲	rcxdude a day ago \| parent [-]
		Cool, but that's also not what they're doing. They are claiming the same rights you have, the main inequality is the resources to defend it in court.