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diggernet 2 hours ago

Oh good. Then Google will be "clean", while countless homes will be getting their power from coal or whatever instead of this nuclear plant.

jryle70 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The plant may be closed without this Google's order. The cost to keep it running is substantial. I guess that's what you prefer?

"The Finland deal will ensure that the Loviisa plant keeps operating beyond 2030, the companies said in a statement. Keeping it running until 2050 will require about €1 billion of investments over the years"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-09/google-gi...

pembrook 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finland doesn't get the rest of its power from coal, they're one of the greenest energy markets on the planet.

echelon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a market. Why can't someone buy it?

Why does it matter that homes "aren't clean" while Google is? That's silly. There's going to be the same level of demand no matter what - the same mix of coal and nuclear inputs will happen regardless of where the outflows are. It's fungible.

More demand will in time result in an increase in supply. That's a good thing. We'll be building a lot more, and it's long overdue.

lukeschlather an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Google is buying the output because they are increasing demand by half a nuclear power plant's worth of power. I actually think it's pretty reasonable to pass a law demanding they build an entire nuclear power plant here.

landl0rd an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"The agreement with Fortum provides long-term financial certainty for the Loviisa plant, which currently generates about 10% of Finland's electricity.

Fortum said Google's commitment would support an investment programme aimed at extending the life of the nuclear station and increasing its generating capacity."

Long-term PPAs are what you usually want because they are bankable and give you solid demand on which to expand. Which is literally what they're talking about doing.

zamadatix an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I build a house and the demand goes up I don't have to build the solar panels (and everything else involved) to cover it, I pay the utility company to build that based on how much I'm needing to use. Well, normally I pay for whatever they think will make them the most money to deliver that much electricity - Google is specifically paying to make sure they see the utility company sees it as increased demand and revenue for more nuclear.

tapland 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

You'd get denied getting connected or expanding your business or adding a car charger, as is reality in parts of Scandinavia, if it was an issue.

nomel an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think government regulations to put a cap on utility profits is a better long term move. Force excess to be directed into green energy expansion.

r3trohack3r 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Like… nuclear?

gottorf an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> government regulations to put a cap on utility profits

I don't know about Finland specifically, but isn't this already the case practically everywhere?

morkalork an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At this point with all the free-market-hand waving going around, it feels like someone telling me that it's not urin raining down on me, just sparkling trickle down economics.

echelon an hour ago | parent [-]

You now have a PhD in your pocket.

Is that not the miracle of the free market?

King Richard II would have killed for an iPhone, PS5, air conditioning, and Uber Eats. He'd swap places with you, and he was king. You don't realize how awesome you have it.

Just a hundred years ago your ancestors were (probably) eating rotten meat and drinking unclean water.

radiator an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> King Richard II would have killed for an iPhone, PS5, air conditioning, and Uber Eats. He'd swap places with you, and he was king.

I don't for a moment believe that, but apparently arguments that cannot possibly be proven are in vogue nowadays.

kuerbel an hour ago | parent [-]

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King-Aaron an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

King Richard II would look at those devices you're offering and have you flayed for heresy

morkalork 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Sir, you have huffed one too many of your own farts and become delerious

vlovich123 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re assuming a large enough supply that can absorb demand. This is true in China but not generally in the West.

If supply was just in time constructed so you maybe have only like 10-30% extra vs peak, the 50% of a nuclear power plant shifts the preexisting non-Google demand onto the non-nuclear sources as the plant can no longer meet its non-Google demand. It’s generally no different than if Google acquired that electricity from the available mix rather than the plant directly.

The thing it gives them is the ability to meet their individual net-0 targets (and thus government incentives) - a local optimization at the cost of a global net negative (at least as far as carbon electricity sources goes)

kccqzy an hour ago | parent [-]

This is a case where the supply was about to be gone and Google provided funds to keep it operating (the original nuclear reactor began operation in 1977 and it now needed EUR 700M to extend the service life). And one can probably guess that this supply just wasn’t cost competitive in the first place, but Google increased the demand so much that it now becomes cost competitive.

johnnyApplePRNG an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes let's shame corporations for spending money on and supporting things that need more support. /s

ericmay an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Somehow folks want this little problem of climate change to go away without any change in their own behaviors. Somehow corporations who sell them goods will just magically "be green" while flying around the world and drinking out of plastic bottles and subscribing to the latest fast-fashion website. But then when the corporations say "yes we should be green" that's a problem too. You just can't please some people, they're just here to complain, not actually see anything positive in the world.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS an hour ago | parent [-]

Don't forget that they buy countless things from China, who is by a very large margin the largest polluter in the world.

ehhthing an hour ago | parent [-]

I dont know why people bring this up. China has nowhere near the highest per capita pollution levels.

ericmay an hour ago | parent [-]

Per-capita can be bad and so can overall scale. It wouldn't matter if Norway was the highest per-capita because like 5 people live there.

omgwtfbyobbq 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Per capita is worse by definition, unless your arguing that people with higher per capita emissions are somehow more valuable to society than those with lower.

The other aspect is that China provides a large industrial base for the West, which is arguably the West just externalizing/offshoring their emissions anyway.

vlovich123 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s unclear. It helps Google with their marketing that they’re a net zero carbon company. But if what’s happening is they’re displacing previous nuclear power users onto dirtier, that’s not really reducing carbon and it’s making it seem like Google isn’t the problem when it actually is - without them that community might otherwise be 100% nuclear and it would be no different from a macro level from Google adding that consumption to dirty sources.

happosai 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> But if what’s happening is they’re displacing previous nuclear power users onto dirtier, that’s not really reducing carbon

That's not the case, because in EU (and thus Finland) electric production is under cap-and-trade. There is just no way to increase dirty electricity production in EU. Apart from political pressure to change rules, which for example Italy is doing because Italy built their grid on gas...

jryle70 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> they’re displacing previous nuclear power users onto dirtier

They are not. The plant may not survive beyond 2030 without this order.

parineum an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a good thing that green energy isn't a fixed quantity and more can be built if there's demand, which is exactly what Google is doing.

It's great for marketing and, you're right, that's why they are doing it but the reason it's good for marketing is that their customers care about the environment. This is the exact invisible hand mechanism in action. It's their preferences changing the behavior of one of the biggest corporations in the world and all they can do is act like it doesn't count because they don't actually care

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