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JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago

> While they were still late in calling a go-around (they should have done it before being anywhere close to touching down due to their unstable approach)

Barring a massive tailwind, they had enough groundspeed to go around at touchdown (158 kts).

I think we'll find throttling to G-A and then aborting the G-A caused the crash. If they'd committed to landing they at least wouldn't have overshot with that much energy. If they'd decided to G-A even at 00:15, they may have been well within margin to take back off.

loeg an hour ago | parent [-]

They didn't have much runway left at 00:15 and were far slower than 158 at that point. They came in far too fast, descending too rapidly; first touch was >50% down the runway, and they didn't get the left gear down, so the spoilers and brakes didn't apply until even later.

Should have had a better approach; should have gone around before they even touched the ground; conditional on the bad approach and first touch, they should have gone around after the initial touch 50% down the runway. But they made the wrong choices at all of those points.

labcomputer 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yea, they couldn’t get the left gear down because they they had enough airspeed to execute a go-around!

Literally 5 consecutive minutes of making 100s of wrong decisions snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

According to news reports, a magistrate judge at OSHA has been sandbagging an investigation into retaliatory firings by this airline (of pilots who reported unsafe practices with maintenance, CRM, training, scheduling, everything). I wonder if the NTSB will include that judge in the investigation. It seems like he or she has a lot to answer for.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety...

tgsovlerkhgsel 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> But they made the wrong choices at all of those points.

This tends to be something we see in most incidents, because the cases where someone makes the right choice at one of the points tend to not become incidents.

An interesting thought is that the more obviously bad/incompetent/terrible decisions or (in)actions were involved in an incident, the better it is, because it means more things had to go wrong for a disaster to occur (more slices of cheese in the Swiss Cheese model).