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| ▲ | antonvs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > They put their energy into their families instead of trying to derive meaning from political activism. It's useful that psychopaths always tell on themselves like this. | | |
| ▲ | monideas 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Putting energy into your family is generally the opposite of psychopathy, it's actually a good thing to do. On the other hand you can actually find a lot of psychopaths who find their outlet in political activism "The Dark Triad traits predict authoritarian political correctness and alt-right attitudes" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7369609/ | | |
| ▲ | antonvs 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The psychopathic tell is dismissing political activism as "trying to derive meaning." It's right up there with the idea that moral or ethical claims are "performative". These kinds of claims generally come from people who don't feel any moral or ethical impulses. These people are most commonly malignant narcissists and psychopaths. A great example is Elon Musk who described empathy as a "bug". Morality is a fundamental feature for most humans. The people who make the kinds of claims above constitute a small, single digit percentage of the population. They tend to have an outsize influence though, because they exploit the trust of others to rise to positions of power, where their lack of compunction can be an advantage. People like Trump, Musk, and Thiel are canonical examples of this. Eventually, when their actions make things bad enough for everyone else, people tend to take action. We may be approaching a time like that. You acknowledged this yourself in earlier comments. | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There are many things I consider to be deeply immoral that I nevertheless cannot change. My political activism is merely performative. Power and wealth are already so entrenched I think we have little chance of effecting any lasting change without violence. So either I become a literal terrorist, or I enable Daniel Plainview mode. It seems to me like the rational move is to try to get rich by any means necessary so I can fuck off to somewhere isolated and never have to deal with the rotten society I hate ever again. | |
| ▲ | monideas an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most of what people call morality is just their own feelings or interest or some attempt to protect their ego, it's basically just an expression of narcissism. The cultivation of a sense of actual morality requires a lot of study and humility and quieting your own feelings and ego. This is very difficult and most people can't do it, ideally in a healthy society the elites you have are people who can and do do this. Ironically Thiel in particular is precisely one of these people. He's very thoughtful and well read and displays a lot of humility in his speech and conduct. | | |
| ▲ | singleshot_ 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | People with morals are narcissists and Peter Thiel is humble. Well, that’s a point of view, I guess. | | |
| ▲ | monideas 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | People with morals are moral. People often confuse morality with just their own feelings, interests, ego. If you don't understand this then likely you are not actually moral. | | |
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| ▲ | shimman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is a very childlike understanding of how people engage with politics across the US. Fitting that immigrant tech workers wouldn't understand the culture then cry foul when rightfully called out on it. Maybe DHH was right. | | |
| ▲ | monideas 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is exactly how most people engage with politics across the US (and all over the world) and I am not an immigrant tech worker. Both of my grandfathers served in WW2 in the US military. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Don't really believe you, looking at past comments you don't really come across as someone raised in America while also being completely unaware of what local politics looks like or how US citizens engage with politics. Not too mention the completely sociopathic comments made above. Are you trying to fool me or Stephen Miller here? |
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| ▲ | antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Most of what people call morality is just their own feelings or interest or some attempt to protect their ego, it's basically just an expression of narcissism. Oh good grief. Hot take of the month right there. All you're doing is demonstrating how uninformed you are on the subject. Can you name anything you've ever read about this? > [Thiel] displays a lot of humility in his speech and conduct. You can't be serious. Where in this does the talk of the "Antichrist" fit? What kind of humility are you talking about? Because if it means intellectual modesty, willingness to acknowledge one's own fallibility, or reluctance to cast one's own political/intellectual beliefs as uniquely farsighted, Thiel's public record is not consist with "displaying a lot of humility." | | |
| ▲ | monideas an hour ago | parent [-] | | The reason you call Thiel immoral or psychopathic is because he's wealthy and this evokes jealousy in you, it's a threat to your ego and your own sense of self worth. It's really that simple and this is a good illustration of what I'm talking about. | | |
| ▲ | esalman 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Quotes from the man himself: On Democracy and Freedom: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible" On Competition: "Competition is for losers" On Technology and Control: "One of the things I like about technology is that when technology is unregulated, you can change the world without getting approval from other people. At its best, it's not subject to democratic control and not subject to the majority, which I think is often hostile to change" On Reputation: "I'd rather be seen as evil than incompetent" | |
| ▲ | buellerbueller 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, Thiel is immoral because he is funding a panopticon and wants to get rid of democracy in favor of authoritarianism. It's really that simple, and your blindness to his cartoonish level of villainy is a good illustration of what everyone who is pushing back against you is talking about. |
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| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Because they're intelligent, work hard and have strong family ties. So when imported workers are having strong conservative values prioritizing their family over progressive values = good, but when western locals are having strong conservative values prioritizing their family over progressive values = bad? >But these things dissipate within a few generations of living in the US Have you heard of the amish? Or the ultra orthodox jews? Or other such groups with strong conservative values. You underestimate the stubbornness of certain cultures to adopt american/western progressive liberal values. They can stay conservative longer than you can stay alive. And also, given their significantly higher birth rates of their culture and religion, they'll also be able to outvote liberals who have catastrophically low birth rates, within a few generations. What do you think happens then with liberals and their values in a democracy? >hence the need for more and more foreign workers. Even when the locals are struggling to find jobs? | | |
| ▲ | monideas 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The elites in the West don't actually have an understanding of what they're doing. If your point is that it would be better if they promoted traditional values and invested in the native population, yes it would be, but that requires a whole metaphysical framework which elites in the West don't have. > Have you heard of the amish? Or the ultra orthodox jews? Yes and Western elites do not think like the Amish or like Orthodox Jews, they do not spend their time studying the Bible or care about that at all (they don't even study the Western classics). > Even when the locals are struggling to find jobs? They don't care about this, again this requires a whole metaphysical framework, at most they care about their own families and you'd probably be surprised at how dysfunctional these people are in their own private lives |
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