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firemelt 3 hours ago

https://isaiprofitable.com/

I like this one better

andy99 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Funny how they include nvidia, micron, and AMD revenue as “AI revenue” and that it represents that majority of industry revenue but presumably a big chunk of everyone else’s spend. Almost might as well include electric utility revenue as AI Revenue by that metric

baxtr 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t understand how they track these figures.

For example: META made a bit more than $5 bn revenue since 2022?

10xDev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI is more like an ongoing research project than it is a product. GPUs are currently the product that is profitable and Nvidia will keep funding labs to keep buying GPUs.

ealready_value 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh look, the answer is the same when I looked a couple months ago. Interesting

HPsquared 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hey now, some of them reach -50% profit margins!

ofjcihen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You almost have hope for them from the total number until you realize the vast majority of that green is made up of NVIDIA

reducesuffering 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is exactly how Cloud Computing looked in 2012-2018. Dumping huge $ into computing buildout that wasn't profitable yet. All those co's: Amazon, GCP, Azure paid off immensely and are ridiculously profitable.

marcosdumay an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No, it wasn't. Cloud computing was almost immediately profitable.

And Amazon was famously "unprofitable" for their first 9 years because they were investing all their very real profits into a form of capital that the US tax code didn't recognize.

reducesuffering an hour ago | parent [-]

GCP reported its first quarterly operating profit in Q1 2023, roughly 15 years after Google began offering cloud computing.

Frontier labs are also reinvesting their tens of billions of revenue back into infra scaleout, sounds like Amazon.

If 2 of 3 were like this, and Azure numbers were never split out, want to take a guess what the economics of the third was like too?

simianwords an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the same type of people will eventually hate it when AI actually starts profiting at which point they will ask for redistribution.

damned if you do.

damned if you don't.

CodingJeebus an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

IIRC Amazon chose to reinvest early revenue to grow AWS intentionally, and the revenue curve eventually evened out and obviously surpassed expenses. The problem with the AI buildout is that there's not a ton of evidence that these companies are approaching profitability, we can't even know because they're private.

Amazon's incubation of AWS was methodical and transparent. OpenAI is saying that they don't expect to be profitable until at least 2030, with over a trillion dollars in committed spend before that point. It's the largest "trust me bro" play in human history.

api an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

On the other hand, people said this about Amazon, Google, Meta/Facebook, and loads of other huge tech things that are now wildly profitable.

It hasn't been a reliable predictive metric so far. All runaway growth tech sectors and businesses tend to look economically insane until they're not.

codingdave an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> and loads of other huge tech things that are now wildly profitable.

They also said it about loads of other huge tech things that died. Pointing at the ones that made it is literally survivor bias.

pessimizer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, they said that about a lot of companies that dumped product until the competition was eliminated, then abused their monopoly position and resultant political connections to do whatever they wanted. Their sites are worse than ever. Literally worse than the day after launch.