| ▲ | petilon 5 hours ago |
| If it is a tier-1 language why isn't it supported in Visual Studio? |
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| ▲ | brunoborges 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because it takes time. Even with coding agents, to add the capability. Then, there is the question on whether Rust developers who like to engage with Microsoft tools, would really consider Visual Studio as their IDE, instead of something like VS Code, VS Code Agent Mode, GitHub Copilot App, or GitHub Copilot CLI with simpler editors. I'd be curious to know whether Rust developers believe Visual Studio is the right place for Microsoft to invest Rust specific coding capabilities. |
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| ▲ | pdpi 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's two ways to approach this — build tooling for existing Rust developers to get them to adopt the Microsoft stack, or build tooling for existing Microsoft stack developers to get them to adopt Rust. I'd argue that the former is less important than the latter, and my understanding is that Visual Studio is still the IDE for Windows-centric development, so for those MS-first developers, Rust missing from VS means Rust is poorly supported, end of story. | | |
| ▲ | isolay 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would have to be the 2nd option. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose Windows as their dev env? It will have to be those who are already there. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most people don't have a choice. Corporate IT has choosen what I run my machine on. I have used a native linux machine, but since my email is still on outlook, everybody uses teams, and all the non-code documents are on windows I end up having to have a windows machine. Linux in a VM under windows ends up being the easiest workflow (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good) | | |
| ▲ | disgruntledphd2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good) WSL is really nice, as is Windows Terminal. I particularly love its fonts (but that's probably just me). | | | |
| ▲ | philwelch 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Outlook and Teams are both web apps, or at least they were when I last used them. Even if you download the "native" app it's just Electron. I haven't had trouble using either of them on Linux. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Outlook is native. There is the new web version that it says don't use (yet) |
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| ▲ | vouwfietsman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This kind of stuff is why its hard to have good conversations about tooling. Windows is the best place for many kinds of software dev, but perhaps not the kind you are doing. | | |
| ▲ | rafterydj 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | When it is not the mandated option, under what circumstances is Windows the best choice for software dev? The only domain I can think of is gaming, and Valve is seemingly coming up fast to eat Microsoft's lunch in the next few years. |
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| ▲ | neutronicus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Visual Studio brings a lot to the table for C++ development. Specifically the Debugger, although IntelliSense also often succeeds at queries that stump clangd. If they can replicate that capability, I think it can be a draw. I was a mac / Linux guy before my current gig, but Visual Studio is so much more capable than XCode that I basically only use the Windows machine except to debug mac-specific issues. Less so, now, admittedly, that the malware scanner process is literally always pegging a CPU core. |
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| ▲ | not_a9 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Visual Studio does have a really nice C++ debugger - one would imagine the C++ debugging capabilities should translate to Rust. | |
| ▲ | germandiago 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Even with coding agents Because of coding agents? :D |
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| ▲ | phire 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's only tier-1 for internal Microsoft use. And for all we know, it might be officially supported in their internal builds of Visual Studio. |
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| ▲ | afdbcreid 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is, with extensions (using rust-analyzer of course). I don't know what's the status inside Microsoft. |
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| ▲ | eterm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Given how long it took visual studio to get 64bit support, I wouldn't hold your breath! ( Edit: I should probably inform the layperson: It was Visual Studio 2022 ) |
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| ▲ | cwbrandsma 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Because it is already supported in VS Code. I don't think this is a hot take, but I'm predicting Microsoft will gradually phase out Visual Studio in favor of VS Code. |
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| ▲ | CodeCompost 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Agreed but I think you need to pry Visual Studio from VB.NET developers' cold dead hands. | | |
| ▲ | neutronicus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | C++ developers, too. I suppose they're splitting out the real powerful stuff (Debugger, LSP) for VSCode's consumption. |
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