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▲ spongebobstoes 2 days ago

what makes the company so terrible?

▲Centigonal 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

IDK about "terrible," but:

- OpenAI is the first AI lab to pioneer ads in consumer AI

- Anthropic seemingly exists primarily because top OpenAI researchers lost faith in the company's commitment to AI safety

- They had the CEO drama in 2023, with evidence that suggests people in a position to know were doubtful of Sam Altman's honesty and motives

- They were tripping over themselves to kiss the ring after Anthropic got in a row with the Department of War over using AI for autonomous killing systems and surveillance of US citizens

- Altman's record (YC, Loopt, WorldCoin) and associates suggests he subscribes to the Paypal-Facebook "move fast, break things, find and exploit gray areas" school of company building

All of this suggests that OpenAI will optimize its own growth and power over consumer welfare or societal stability in the future (obviously, companies aren't a monolith and I'd love to be wrong).

▲chris_va 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Don't forget the not-actually-Open-no-longer-a-non-profit history

▲dgellow 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A few more to add:

- OpenAI allegedly directed ex-Apple employees to leak internal documents and allegedly coached the employees how to evade Apple security processes

- OpenAI allegedly lied to hardware companies working with Apple to use proprietary technology

- OpenAI allegedly copied Scarlett Johansson voice for ChatGPT after she declined to work with them

- OpenAI allegedly made ChatGPT more sycophantic to increase their retention rate, while aware of the risks. ChatGPT is linked to multiple suicides

- OpenAI ran thousands of agents on hacking problems, with close to no supervision, for months, with a harness that allows for full execution, resulting in the hack of HuggingFace infra AND OpenAI’s own infrastructure (the agents allegedly got fully root access to their k8s cluster). They weren’t aware of most of it until their investigation.

- OpenAI has been spreading misinformation regarding the capabilities of their technology for years

- OpenAI allegedly front-run researchers who are using the platform for their own personal research

There is way more, I don’t maintain a list of everything that happened over the past 3y or so

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▲spongebobstoes 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

thanks for diving in, though I don't find the reasons convincing as I will briefly enumerate

ads fund access for poor people. Ant has a different philosophy, not a better one. Altman was supported by >90% of employees. OAI DoW deal includes technical safeguards against misuse (missing from Ant deal). Loopt and WorldCoin dont seem terrible or even relevant, Altman doesn't even have OAI equity

I don't think OAI are the "good guys", but I don't see convincing evidence that they are terrible

▲henry2023 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Autonomous killing machines and mass surveillance.

▲riffic 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So, the way this orange site works is that if anyone makes a reference to whatever sort of inside baseball concern ("industry drama"), we're all supposed to know what they're talking about.