Am I missing something obvious? Isn’t this just a simple DB query to see the state history of the “Data Controls” → “Improve model for everyone” toggle in the settings? Just report whether that was ever on and over what time period.

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heaney-555 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Multiple OpenAI staff have publicly said they cannot do that as accessing specific user settings without their consent (or legal requirement) violates their internal privacy policy.

However, the mathematicians could easily declare whether they had the toggle on or off. Yet curiously, they will not say!

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maxglute an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Zero reason to believe open AI employees, big tech has history of employees/subcontractors creeping on exes and minors, someone with keys to creep on customer for valuations is more parsimonious.

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Ydarbleoj 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not about what they say but what they do and right now no frontier AI company deserves anything but skepticism based on how they act verse what they say.

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card_zero 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1. That's a misleading name for "take my secrets",

2. It's on by default,

3. Somebody says there's a second setting "don't train on my data", which is the real setting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49639743

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LelouBil 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reply from OpenAI should have been "if you had the setting on yes, if not then no".

It was very weird on it's own almost like the setting didn't matter. Or the researcher was being dishonest with what they shared to The Verge

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Yizahi 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So if the scientist(s) will reports that they had it enabled, it would mean that OpenAI lied, when they made a statement about not using their chats for training, right?:)

	▲	heaney-555 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		OpenAI didn't say they didn't use their chats for training. You should go read the actual statement! https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/

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monster_truck 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes you're missing several obvious things. Even saving the last changed date (nevermind every change date or what the change was) for every setting for every user would be earth crushingly wasteful. The value by itself isn't even worth including in backups.

	▲	seanhunter 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Storing the last changed date for every single person on earth (even though not every person is an OpenAI customer) is something you could easily do on a laptop. It would be a rounding error for OpenAI. I don't know what format they use for storage, but Iceberg would be a reasonable choice. A date in iceberg format is 4 bytes[1]. I checked postgres as well as a reference point. It also uses 4 bytes for a date, so whatever they use it's going to be about that. Current world population is just shy of 8.3 Billion people [2]. 4 bytes times 8.3 billion people gives 30.92 GiB. [3] OpenAI's training data will be in the petabyte range at least. [1] https://iceberg.apache.org/spec/#schema-evolution [2] https://worldpopulationreview.com/ and elsewhere, say census.gov if you want a US source https://www.census.gov/popclock/world [3] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=4+bytes+*+8.3+billion+i...