Crazy that this is about to be normalized. Can't help but think the discourse of "they already record everything anyway" of the past couple years (even in the absence of complete proof) has played a part.

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throwatdem12311 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Never thought it would be Apple to normalize it either. I’ve been in the ecosystem because they have a proven track record of privacy and security and taking principled stands.

I’m sure the NSA is salivating at this and I don’t trust the current administration not to legislate back doors.

Terrible misstep from Apple from my perspective. This is their “they removed Don’t Be Evil from the website” moment for me.

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Schiendelman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There's been plenty of evidence that nothing is recorded or sent back, hardly "absence of complete proof". People have identified basically everything coming from the network stack of an iPhone.

This is already normalized in most modern office buildings. There are video and audio recording devices in virtually all common areas. This started a bit after private offices were done away with.

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sillyfluke an hour ago | parent [-]

>There's been plenty of evidence that nothing is recorded or sent back, hardly "absence of complete proof".

You may have a different understanding of the word "complete" than the standard definition.

Unless you are claiming the verifiers kept the watches being tested under constant survellance for several years, the proof you are alluding to may only prove that it is not routinely sending or recording data. It does not prove they can't turn it on whenever they feel like it, or when obeying a time-limited and geofenced mass surveillance order.

	▲	bondarchuk 42 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Uh sorry guys I phrased it weird I meant "complete absence of proof" more like.