> they could be significantly piggybacking on human progress,

This is AI in a nutshell, its a plagiarism machine. An abstraction layer between vast amounts of stolen human-generated data that filters out the liabilities and accountability for that original theft. Its an IP laundering system.

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robocat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's such an unquantifiable accusation.

Plus it is an unfair standard since so many scientists in the past have been caught unethically using the work of others without attribution (and so many more have been accused).

In history we also repeatedly see the phenomenon of multiple discovery or simultaneous invention. If that happens to AI because the topic is pregnant, would you call it "plagiarism" just to disparage AI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery

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wiei 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s one perspective.

I just view it as a thing that can brute force and produce outputs - that it has no way of ‘knowing’ - but doesn’t need to since it’s just running off of probability.

No human can compete in that contest. But no llm can compete in the contest of ‘understanding’ and application in the real world - which is where 99% of the value is.

I’m very pro AI long term btw but I’m not blinded.

	▲	foogazi 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		But it’s not brute force if it’s looking over everyone’s shoulder Brute force would have been solving Navier-Stokes in 88 hours after plagiarizing all known 20th century math When it needs to snoop live on what the actual mathematicians are working on that’s something else
	▲	throwawayqqq11 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Dont forget the holisitic validators/tools in the process. Probabilistics alone likely will not get you here. These rules are human made and without it, frontier models would not be able to compete, likely.
	▲	AnimalMuppet 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		AI needs humans to encode ideas in words. It needs those ideas to span the space of possibilities of, say, Navier Stokes. Then AI can be, as you say, a terrifyingly effective way to search that space. But when the building-block ideas are still being formed, I'm not sure that AI is good at forming them.