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Al-Khwarizmi 2 hours ago

I get piñatas, but there is an extreme version of this that I find just too much. Not sure in other places, but in Spain there is a kind of fair stall where children use a plastic fishing rod with a magnet or hook to catch some plastic ducks with the corresponding magnet or hook. The ducks have some points and give you rewards, but the payoff is terrible - maybe you spend €10 and you get a gift that you could buy for €2 at the neighborhood shops. And the fun part with the fishing lasts like 20 seconds, no more, and it's individual, there isn't even a competition or anything, no time limit, etc. Just catch three ducks and see how many points they give you.

My 7-year-old son (who by the way loves math) always wants to go there. I can't help but explain that the payoff is horrendous from any point of view, and he understands and doesn't argue against it, but he still insists. Sometimes I convince him by offering alternatives, but sometimes I have to cave because he seems to like it so much. But man, spending euros on that stings, I have the feeling that the people who run the stall must be laughing at all the suckers who fall into the trap.

shifto 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My kids love something like this we see every year at the traveling fair. It's the same idea but with rubber duckies floating around and having to catch them with a small pole with a hook attached. It's €20 for 2 kids to have 2 minutes of fun and the payoff is a €1 Aliexpress/Temu pollution generator disguised as a toy. They play with it for a day before it ends up in the trash.

The first few years I hated this for exactly the reasons you mention, but now I'm just happy they are happy. I think I have a few more years left before they don't want to go rubber ducky fishing with their dad no more and I doubt by then €20 gets me 2 minutes of joy with them.

Al-Khwarizmi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In fact it's the same thing. I said fish by mistake (probably because my mind made an association with the fishing rod and what it's usually used for) but they're ducks. I have edited the comment now.

orsetto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It sounds like you've got an opportunity to set up something like this at home. You'd feel like you were getting ripped off less, and make the rewards at the fair seem less attractive to "what we have at home". The challenge, of course, is to still make it feel like a special occasion...

uniq7 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think part of the thing is the scarcity of activities like this, having it for free at home will probably kill the mood.

It's like video game arcades. When you had to pay to play for 2 minutes, it was way more exciting than now playing in an emulator

bcraven 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the UK this is called:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook-a-duck

slazaro an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, your child is spending 0€, getting a bit of fun with a game, and getting a reward afterwards, which is randomized (more dopamine). That seems like an amazing trade.

As an adult, if I went and they said it cost 0€, I think I'd play too.

veltas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't overthink it, I think you are being a bit cynical. If your kid enjoys it then it's worth the money. If you can't afford that then find other things your kid enjoys.

The reward of a game is playing it, not the 'prize', although that can add to the enjoyment too.

marcelo-earth 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> maybe you spend €10 and you get a gift that you could buy for €2

Oh yes, I got it, they are like the claw machines that have fake bills and iPhones with them (at least that's what I saw too).

But the point of having fun, you know it's a rigged game.

mrheosuper an hour ago | parent [-]

Different thing. The claw machine is basically gambling for kids. There is no skill involved.

ddorian43 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's kinda like a slot machine. Or loot boxes. Kids love drugs too!

astura 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would have killed to play carnival games like that when I was a kid but they were absolutely strictly forbidden, because 1) they are obviously not worth the price (scam) and 2) prizes are just junk that we didn't have room in the house for anyways.

You can just say no. I have never played a single one of those types of games in my life because once I was old enough to work I understood my parents point of view. I'm actually thankful for them teaching me these sorts of lessons no matter how much I hated at the time. It's actually okay to not allow your children participate in cons and scams.

giov4 an hour ago | parent [-]

is there a price or cost for happyness?

which lesson is it exactly?

watwut an hour ago | parent [-]

1.) That gambling is not worth of money even if it is fun for a moment.

2.) Something being fun but expensive is skippable and it is good to be able to say "no" to expensive fun.

astura 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yep, for all the moralizing about sports gambling people on HN do, they sure love to prime their children for it.

It also just helped me understand the value of money, which to say has served me well is a massive understatement. Plus a real understanding of the fact that there's cons dressed up as fun, not everything is as it appears.