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Blizzard Workers Win Historic Union Contract(gamespot.com)
154 points by dbg31415 7 hours ago | 36 comments
bentt an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is probably the beginning of the end for Blizzard as an identifiable company. MSFT will just absorb WoW, Overwatch, and Diablo and spin up new internal studios to support them rather than have their feet held to the fire by a union. They did it with Halo. Of course, it produced garbage, but that never stopped Microsoft.

strictnein 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Might be a better article on this: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/20...

The Gamespot one is really poorly written. Not sure if it's AI bad or human bad. An example:

> Laid-off union members will also get an additional four weeks of pay–regardless of how long they worked at the company–hybrid schedules that allow them to work from home, and formal systems to settle disputes within the workplace.

Laid off workers get to utilize hybrid schedules?

dwattttt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They can choose to work their allotted 0 hours any time of the day they choose. Has to be at home though, mandatory "do not work" from home orders apply.

WatchDog 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are there any unionized game studios that continue to produce highly acclaimed games?

Bethesda used to make great games, but the last great game they made was Skyrim in 2011, they unionized in 2022, and just recently they had some big layoffs.

CD Projekt made the highly acclaimed Witcher 3 in 2015, Cyberpunk disappointed on it's release in 2020, although it's reviews are mixed. CD Projekt unionized in 2023.

Blizzard have been in decline for a long time, they mostly focus on maintaining the cash cows games WoW and hearthstone. Although Diablo has is mostly well regarded(ignoring immortal). They haven't made any new ambitious game for a while. Their last attempt at making something ambitious was Titan, a cancelled MMO that they worked on for 6 years and supposedly spent $80 million on, cancelled in 2013.

The decline seems to begin well before the unionization, so I wouldn't say it's causal, it's more of a symptom of the company no longer being a place that can foster high functioning teams, where people feel like they are valued and working on something important.

gandhiandy69 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Patched Cyberpunk is the best game after Elden Ring of the last 10 years

glenngillen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure I follow the correlation or causation logic here. By the evidence presented the conclusion I would draw is it's very difficult to have repeated success. All your stated failures predated any unionisation.

If anything to unionization seems correlated simply to how long a company has been around.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't Activision Blizzard, which implies they make call of duty which is one of the games that makes the most money out there?

I don't like any of that, but they do make money.

As for good games, the last one was warcraft 3 maybe

WatchDog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah they still make good money.

I think calling WC3 the last good game is immoderately scornful though.

I regret the time I spent playing WoW, but it was category defining and a cultural phenomenon.

StarCraft 2 was excellent, perhaps to this day the best RTS ever made.

Diablo 3 was highly regarded.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair point on WoW and I totally forgot Starcraft 2.

Diablo 3 I played extensively, yet I felt somewhat disgusted by the end of it.

But it's a product of that time. If I think about the games I played recently, nothing holds except Warcraft 3 with the custom maps.

I have little time so I play only what I consider "top" for my taste and drop everything else, even in the "good" category. Due to that my last few years have been games that last me hundreds and hundreds of hours with high satisfaction, or shorter games with high satisfaction.

Either way, I would never play diablo 3 the same amount of time I did back in the day, the only reason I played was because of the friends I had

ViktorRay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess we will find out when GTA 6 comes out as Rockstar has become unionized.

Although actually…Rockstar didn’t become unionized until most of GTA 6 had already been completed. So I guess we’ll find out when their next game comes out.

johnnyanmac 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't really know what unionization has to do with making good games. We've seen plenty of studios fall from grace with raw, unfettered capitalism.

It ultimately will come down to if it can retain talent and don't do a soft reset every project.

luqtas 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

the expectation combined with more studios doing stuff, the fact that video-games don't have 100 years (so it's a maturing art form, somehow) and also investment money... i believe there's much more chances of quality declining on companies by the hook of investors or at least less innovation (which seems to drive a bunch of 'unicorns' on this field)? graphics kinda topped by now, there's no more magic on realism/fancy graphics! maybe at some point role-play/storytelling will get more complex/infinite with AI but it's not clear how or if it'll, as we have player driven multi-player video-games for quite a while, like Albion or some much older: https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/ ... maybe man vs. the machine in a sensible way and not those engines stomping pro-players on Dota

claytongulick 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think "raw, unfettered capitalism" and unions are orthogonal.

Actually, quite the opposite - in a free market, labor is free to organize in any way they want. If they have enough leverage over the employer, they'll succeed.

The anti-free market part is the regulatory quagmire that the US has in place for organized labor.

I think that's the thing that most people take umbrage with.

I don't know for sure, but I've heard from knowledgeable folks that it is more effective in Europe.

Camus134 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Cyberpunk may have had a bad launch, but in 2026 it is a great game, and worth playing. One of the best games I've played in years.

15155 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I remember it being called "Cedarpunk" on account of its rendering issues.

aliasxneo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Use to be a huge Blizzard fan back in the day. Can't get behind basically anything they are doing today. Time will tell if something like this just reinforces whatever is broken or results in real improvement. I'm cynical on the matter.

marcus_holmes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

About time tbh. I don't work in game dev, in part because of the horrorshow of game dev management.

tstrimple 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Would be crazy to work for a company where you had confidence that like half your colleagues would be "laid off" after successfully delivering a project.

genxy 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'd never ship then, consciously or not.

dmix 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You'd fit right in then

tekla 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does Blizzard plan on releasing a good game soon?

mister_mort an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Starcraft site is clearly doing some sort of intentional glitch out ARG, and the rumour going around is that they are doing some sort of singleplayer shooter set in that universe.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/113435/blizzards-next-starcra...

dcrazy an hour ago | parent [-]

StarCraft: Ghost?

chaostheory 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[delayed]

weberer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hear they may be re-re-re-releasing WoW Classic again.

tstrimple 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Overwatch had so much promise. I could have seen an Arcane style series featuring characters. But no. I'm not expecting anything good from them again.

beanjuiceII 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

definitely not now

globalnode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

in australia workers seem to have more rights. they have industry awards that specify minimum wage and safety conditions etc, they have the legal right to strike and the legal right for union/collective bargaining if they choose it, aka freedom of association. when i look at employment conditions in the US, it boggles my mind how workers there basically have zero safety net. its an extreme example of giving all the power to the employer.

strictnein 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are plenty of legal "safety nets" for American employees, regardless of if you're in a union or not. Could they be better? Sure, anything can be improved, just like every other country on Earth.

What kind of boggles my mind is that people online think they have an understanding of almost every part of American society because of what they read online or saw in the news. I wouldn't for the slightest second think I would have a clue about the working conditions in Australia, nor would I think I have the ability to read stuff online and get an actual understanding of it.

The most glaring example of this were all the people who came here for the world cup, afraid of all the crime and all that nonsense, and realized that living in America is actually pretty fucking great.

> its an extreme example of giving all the power to the employer

And yet, we make the most money, which seems to kind of go against that idea. If all the power was with the employer, you'd expect low wages, not high ones.

Apologies if that was a harsh response, it's just tiresome reading all of these foreign online "experts" on American society.

mxkopy 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Comparing US safety nets to those of “any other country on Earth” is just patently absurd and disingenuous. EU has mandated - mandated - 4 week paid leave. In the US you are by law obligated to exactly 0 days of paid leave.

I get that this is HN and most people here haven’t worked the bottom-of-the-barrel retail jobs that this applies to, but there is very little difference in take home pay in this income regime after accounting for necessary expenses such as healthcare, transportation, and food; in some cases EU take home is even higher. https://boundlesshq.com/blog/us-vs-europe-employment-costs-s...

Like, sure, if you want to larp as a low income oligarch the US is the best place to do that. Otherwise, you’re going to be regularly crying after 10 hour shifts because you’re in the red each month after necessary expenses. Most people would like tech talent fall into the latter category out of schadenfreude or profit motive.

Tech needs to unionize.

polski-g 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Americans trade higher worker income for decreased protections.

shoo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is that actually true though?

Maybe Americans get higher incomes because US companies structurally sell to larger markets than Australian companies, so - at least for those roles with scale / leverage - the role is more productive & the absolute value that the employee can extract is high, even if the proportion of the overall value extracted by the worker is similar to or lower than the proportion extracted by an Australian worker.

Maybe if Americans had stronger unions, perhaps American workers could benefit from both higher incomes - due to the increased scale & opportunities of the US market - & increased protections relative to Australian workers.

Another thing that is quite different between the US & Australia is that in the US, the public is generally a lot more trusting of business over government. US business interests have a long history of influencing US public opinion- there's examples of stuff like business interest groups creating educational materials & getting them into schools, so kids learn early about the wonders of capitalism & free markets. It's unsurprising that you might not find unions so popular in such an environment. A book that details quite a lot of that history is Kerryn Higgs' book Collision Course: Endless Growth on a Finite Planet [1].

[1] https://direct.mit.edu/books/book/3683/Collision-CourseEndle...

polski-g an hour ago | parent [-]

They would not. If its harder to fire people, then there would be less employee turnover, which is where all the income growth comes from.

brailsafe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spectacular. Many people have been disappointed with moves by Blizz in the last 5-10 years and anything that improves livability for those that make what used to be great games is a huge win

ChrisArchitect 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Union release: https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/blizzard-entertainment-w... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49627164)

colechristensen 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Big corporate gaming studios get my full support for unionizing, those people need collective bargaining. I am a skeptic of many unionizing efforts, but not this one.