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losvedir an hour ago

Debit cards aren't that, in practice, because as you say they typically get the same 3% fee whenever I've asked. Toast and other point of sale networks just charge it based on the network and not the card type.

But even so, I still prefer the credit card instrument, used as a "charge card". For those that don't know, a "charge card" is common with businesses and is expected to be paid off every month. But it helps with managing your cashflow - e.g. you can keep your money in a savings account all month and make one transaction at the end - and it keeps your actual money from being at risk of fraud.

Most Europeans seem confused with how Americans use credit cards for everything, but about half of us use them as charge cards, paying them off every month.

That is a benefit, so I can see paying a small percentage for it, but I don't think that benefit alone justifies the 3-5% of a transaction that credit cards charge now.

LeBit an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As a Canadian , I thought that was the expected de facto way of using credit cards: you pay everything with it so you get rewards (ie money) at the end of the year as a function of how much you used the card during the year. At the end of the month, you pay whatever the outstanding balance is, otherwise you pay high interests.

zaphirplane 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are fees thou and i cant imagine they are losing out as a business

eastbayjake an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Debit cards are not subject to surcharging, and any merchant doing so is violating Visa/Mastercard regulations. (And possibly state law in several places -- Colorado where I live caps surcharge at the lesser of 2% or the cost of payment processing.)

ecommerceguy 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Correct, Toast specifically will not allow it under any circumstance.

Debit cards issued by smaller community banks or credit unions are exempt from the cap and carry higher interchange rates (often 1.0%–1.65% + $0.10).

All merchants should either do Surcharging or Cash Discount.

cmurf 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s 2% or actual cost for credit cards.

Under subparagraph f)A seller or lessor shall not impose a surcharge if a customer elects to pay for goods or services by Check, cash, debit card, processing as a debit payment, or gift card.

eCheck is considered a check.

https://colorado.public.law/statutes/crs_5-2-212

4lx87 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Prices reflect the credit card merchant fees, even if there's no separate surcharge. People pay higher prices and anyone who doesn't use a credit card to recoup some in "rewards" is effectively getting taxed.

4lx87 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You get charged higher prices and then have to use a credit card to recoup the loss, so that rent-seeking monopolists can make money. And Americans are also seemingly baffled by the idea of regulating this away, as if other countries doing this don't exist. Credit cards are the USA epitomized.