I agree they they should, but that would be hard before, now in the IoT-hell where even your lightbulbs and internet-facing and capable of being proxies seems like a herculean effort.

Pretty sure I saw an article on HN a few days ago about, in part, how a bunch on seemingly innocuous apps for smart tvs, stuff like screen savers and the like, all ran proxy servers (in the users residential address) under the hood. I think it was in the GamerNexus investigation on the whole LG Tv spying on people IIRC.

That's why GP mentioned "Smart TV".

A random Internet-connected smart plug made by KOCKJAKD and sold on Aliexpress? Almost impossible to catch.

A major brand like LG, with US presence and sold in brick-and-mortar stores? Much more possible. It also makes a much juicier target for lawyers, thus making it much more likely to get sued. And once there is a precedent, other manufactures would be in danger too. Hopefully after losing a whole bunch of money, the manufacturers will start cracking down on those residential proxies.

(Except that discovery is going to be painful. "Use discovery to find out what's on the other end" is easy to write, but in practice it means regular people dealing with bailiffs just because they happen to buy wrong brand of smart TV)

  > I agree they they should, but that would be hard before, ... seems like a herculean effort.

  | We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too.

Honestly, these companies win when we buy into the belief that these things are too hard. They're lazy and are just like any of us that make excuses to not do chores or other things that we should. But the reality is that for pursing our civilization forward we should pursue the toughest problems. It is just about will. It'll be tiring. Some will kick and scream, throwing tantrums. But we aren't just any animal, we're humans. We can do literally anything if we decide it's worthwhile.

Importantly, we shouldn't just jump onto the next hype train, we should be passionate, nuanced, and pursue for the sake of pursuit. We don't have to put all our eggs in one basket. We shouldn't. We have enough time, resources, and energy to pursue so much. But as soon as at pretend we live in a finite world we tend to self destruct and fight over constraints we've made up. The universe is limitless, as are our minds.

AFAIK most people's contract with their ISP includes fine print that forbids a lot of the nasty things these IoT and "smart" devices do.