| ▲ | stymaar 3 hours ago | |||||||
I just tried to reproduce in Llama-cpp's webui: with the following (reverse-engineered) prompt: “Write a complete short story scene of 2000-3000 words. Use a third-person limited perspective focused on a character named Rowan. The scene must include the following plot elements: a raccoon, Milo returns, a storm power failure, an elderly customer knocks, and a thermos somewhere. Make sure the scene ends feeling finished. Output only the story; do not include any outline, preamble, analysis, or meta-commentary.” And here's Qwen's thinking trace: > The user is asking for a short story scene of 2000–3000 words. Third-person limited POV, Rowan. Plot elements: a raccoon, Milo returns, a storm causing a power outage, an elderly customer knocks on the door, a thermos. End with a sense of closure. Output only the story. > Let me plan carefully. I need to count words in my head—roughly 2400–2600 words would be safely in range. Let me draft. > Setting: a small-town shop or a gas station/diner where Rowan works the night shift. Milo returns—Milo is probably Rowan's partner, brother, or ex. Let me make Milo Rowan's brother who's been away (military? a road trip? rehab?). Better: Milo is the younger brother who disappeared/went away after a fight. He comes back in the middle of a storm. While at the very beginning it rephrases the prompt in very short sentence, it's nowhere near close to the above GPT thinking trace and it quickly moves to plain sentences. | ||||||||
| ▲ | spijdar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
Yeah, I dunno. For me it does "talk normally" for the most part when used in an actual coding harness. One thing though, the actual prompt I used was pretty long (844 words), and ... generated by GPT-5.6 Sol (lol), with the intent of "benchmarking" model performance in being able to write stories where the model avoids explicitly stating every detail in the prompt. I wonder if the GPT-produced stream could steer the generation into GPT-think territory. That's all I've got, though. Then there's the actual geometry problem from the stolen thoughts paper: | ||||||||
| ▲ | bytkim an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
The person evaluating and noticing similar reasoning traces to gpt is because they are using a coding harness which probably has a different system prompt to llama webui which primarly serves as a chat interface | ||||||||
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