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mcapodici 3 hours ago

I always forget the US doesn't use A4 etc. (or do you?)

josephg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How can you forget? Growing up in Australia, every computer I’ve ever owned has defaulted to “US Letter” as the paper size. (Even when your computer was set to use Australian localisations.) If you didn’t change the setting, you couldn’t print. The printer would complain that it was out of paper, because it didn’t have a tray with the requested us letter paper in it. It was one of those things you always had to check.

I don’t think I saw a “us letter” sized piece of paper until I was an adult.

apublicfrog 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Every windows install I've ever done (in Australia) I picked "English (Australia)" when possible, and "English (UK)" before Microsoft provided that localisation option. I've never seen US letter as a default.

aidenn0 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's funny because (living in the US) I've noticed that many printers default to A4. Maybe 20 years ago, one printer at work would think A4 paper was loaded in it after every power-failure and we'd have to go through the menu and change it, or it would require you to clear a warning before it would print anything sized for US letter.

Xirdus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Must be an Anglosphere thing. Every non-English computer and office software I've ever used correctly defaulted to A4.

LtWorf 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Trail paper was letter format in europe.

physicsguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Na, was normal in the UK to have A4 too

julianz 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

PC LOAD LETTER

Modified3019 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We (normal citizens, businesses, government) mostly use “Letter” size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_(paper_size) which is slightly shorter than A4

Apparently the reagan admin is responsible for making this our official government document size, and no one knows exactly why this size was chosen.

13hours 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Like most of your standards. No-one knows why, but it's obviously advantageous to defend it religiously as "better than everyone else"

lukas099 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it's obviously advantageous to defend it religiously as "better than everyone else

Or laugh at ourselves about it, which is what we normally do.

MBCook 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At a certain point things get so engrained the cost to switch would be huge and the benefits don’t (seem to) outweigh it.

I think switching to metric would make far more sense than this.

XorNot an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't know in terms of saved paper because the printer has somehow switched to Letter again I think an argument could be made...

janderson215 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Here here! I will walk 500 km for this.

cubefox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was just chosen earlier.

spiderice an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm sorry our paper size offends you. Had we have known it would cause such an inferiority complex we never would have done it.

SllX 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That Wikipedia article was lacking citations so I dug some up with ChatGPT: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CPUB-101spub9/pdf/GP...

On page 52 (57 of the PDF), there’s a letter dated December 18th 1978 (Carter administration, not Reagan) from the Congressional Joint Committee on Printing adopting 8.5”x11”, effective January 1st 1980 so departments & agencies could use up their 8.5”x10.5” stock.

I also found this article from Time from January 15th 1979 that this was actually slightly cheaper despite using more paper: https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0%2C33009%2...

The government adopted 8.5”x10.5” to save money back in 1921 vs what was already the industry standard of 8.5”x11”, but this ended up backfiring and a General Services Administration report in 1972 recommended switching to 8.5”x11” would reduce by 5% the amount of times a secretary would need a second page. The Joint Committee of Printing estimated this change would save several million dollars.

> On hearing the news, one straight-faced bureaucrat in the Government Printing Office said of his colleagues' reaction to the news: "Some people think that this issue has been inadequately studied."

Apparently the American Forest & Paper Association is under the impression that it was the Reagan administration’s proclamation:

> Oddly enough, the United States used two different sizes - the 8" x 10.5" and the 8.5" x 11". Separate committees came up with separate standards, the 8" x 10.5" for the government and the 8.5" x 11" for the rest of us. Once these committees found out about each other a couple years later, they agreed to disagree until the early 1980's when Reagan finally proclaimed that the 8.5" x 11" was the official standard sized paper.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120220192919/http://www.afandp...

hbarka 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I should have shared this YouTube short:

“The most beautiful invention of all time”

https://youtube.com/shorts/KW_bvB33kBc

SllX 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like as a standard? No. But I can go to a stationery shop and buy an A4 notebook.

ajmurmann 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, "letter" is the standard

ZeWaka 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Or "legal".

stronglikedan 3 hours ago | parent [-]

legal is a standard, but not the standard. letter is the standard

actionfromafar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And for writing a letter, ed is the standard editor.