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alphawhisky 10 hours ago

Call me crazy, but maybe our healthcare shouldn't be a "cost driven system". Maybe that was the issue before AI. But hell, what do I know?

Squarex 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It will always be until we have unlimited resources.

sheauwn 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Costs can continue to be a factor in something, it is in most things, without it being the "driver".

woah 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is possible to spend an infinite amount of money keeping a human being alive, and every year there are more ways to spend more money keeping someone alive a little longer. Once you're not spending an infinite amount of money for each person, you are in the territory of denied claims, "death panels", waiting lists, and all the other things people like to complain about depending on their political persuasion.

pessimizer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It will always be the driver. The question is always going to be whether we spend X amount of resources to get Y probability of restoring Z health to someone (or someone to Z level of health.)

Costs are just another way to say resources. If we only have $100, and it takes $100 to have a 33% chance to give Bob a 50% better life, but $50 to have a 15% chance to give either Sara or Rose a 100% better life, we need a rubric to make that decision.

We can't just do first come first serve (maybe the first person in line takes all the health care for a 1% chance of getting 1% better), or pick the person we like better (who is we?). We have to figure out how to manage and grow the limited resources we have. We manage them by coming up with algorithms on how to spend money, and we grow them by cutting costs and investing. This is better when it is done in public through democratic means than when it is done behind closed doors (to avoid the above problems.)

There will always be death panels. There are currently death panels. The reason for single-payer is not to avoid trying (imperfectly) to maximize these equations, it's to get rid of massive amounts of administration and graft (cutting costs.) If all that savings goes to the Pentagon, we wouldn't be any happier than before single-payer.

But it's not good to come up with some fuzzy way to determine who gets treated. Efficient spending is a way of minimizing injustice. To say a health system is not being driven by costs is just another way of saying that it's going to be driven by undeclared and unexamined biases.

lotsofpulp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What does cost driven system and driver even mean? The cost of something is the ratio of demand to supply.

If something is not costing a lot, then it means there is sufficient supply that obtaining it is not going to require sacrifices elsewhere.

If something does cost a lot, then it means there isn't sufficient supply, and obtaining it is going to require sacrifices elsewhere.

Healthcare is obviously one of those things, especially with a top heavy population age histogram, where supply is not going to be sufficient so costs will remain high. And if costs are high, then obviously they will decide how resources get allocated, that is the very nature of something that is high cost.

JacobiX 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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