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john_strinlai 8 hours ago

its not a legislation issue

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Manuel_D 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Except it is? If the traffic light timings are controlled by law then they can't be manipulated in that way.

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john_strinlai 7 hours ago | parent [-]

the ones we want to prevent abuse from are the ones making the laws. police and governments break existing laws all the time.

>they can't be manipulated

if you want something that cant be manipulated or abused, the solution is technical, not legislative.

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Manuel_D 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ones making the laws are your elected officials. If you want a city to pass a law prohibiting changing the traffic light timings, then go campaign for a candidate that has that on their platform.

	▲	john_strinlai 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>If you want a city to pass a law prohibiting changing the traffic light timings, then go campaign for a candidate that has that on their platform. people love saying this as if its some sort of gotcha. ive been campaigning for candidates i believe in since ive been able to vote, which is over 40 years now. additionally, i voice my opinion locally and online (hi).

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slibhb 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's why we have an independent judiciary. What's the alternative to fixing this with laws/lawsuits? Do we riot when "the police and governments break laws"?

	▲	john_strinlai 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>That's why we have an independent judiciary. which is something that only happens after abuse occurs, is costly (time and money), presents a risk of retaliation, and offers no guarantee of being made whole. >What's the alternative to fixing this with laws/lawsuits? not doing mass surveillance means we don't need legislation about it. >Do we riot when "the police and governments break laws"? why did you scare quote this?