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jjkaczor 4 hours ago

My first exposure to Lotus Notes was to work on a migration project that was moving from Notes to "Exchange WebStorage System" (WebDAV) - which was an aborted "go-nowhere" server/service which ended-up being replaced by SharePoint ("Teams Services") - which we had to also re-target mid-project.

We faced a situation where we had about 4,000 custom Notes apps to migrate, a small team and an extremely limited time. (and varying levels of complexity in each app)

What we found we could do, was "expose" the apps as "Notes Web" apps, and extract much of the UI/UX, and other artifacts - then we wrote conversion utilities.

We were able to get the migration time for simple apps down to the time it took us to demonstrate our framework... (20 minutes per app).

However - quite honestly, the more I saw of Notes at the time, the more I asked "Why migrate?". As the feature-set of early "SharePoint" was not even "at par" with Notes - even now, with the myriad of M365/desktop/app integrations, it is generally "just ok" and does not feel "cohesive".

newsoftheday 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Agree with that, I've used both Notes heavily in the past and SharePoint/Exchange as a software engineer exposed to them and Notes always felt more cohesive. Notes (and Oracle products) get dumped on in discussions on Reddit and sometimes on HN but Notes worked well and was very consistent, Oracle products too for that matter, in my experience.

Notes and Sametime also worked very well on Linux on my IBM work laptop, supported by support, official Linux distro inside IBM. That was mid-late 2000's when many companies hadn't even thought of trying to support both Windows and Linux (or Mac).

leapingdog an hour ago | parent [-]

Sametime had to work in Java Applets so portability was key. IIRC our biggest customer was the Australian navy.

I was briefly what is now called a developer-in-test on Sametime after Lotus Development bought them. I was untrained in C++ so my bug reports for that API were frequently closed with the comment "No".

kakuri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Notes provided an amazing platform. I think its fatal flaw was that it targeted unskilled developers. The result was a bunch of poorly made applications which were naturally hated by users. Also targeting unskilled developers resulted in a developer experience hostile to skilled software engineers so they went elsewhere.

rmu09 2 hours ago | parent [-]

25yrs ago, doing any kind of revision control or compare different "versions" of the same "database" was next to impossible IIRC. Then there were those "replication failures", sometimes trivial to fix, sometimes completely impossible to debug. And god forbid you did something to the default email template to make it more compatible with external IMAP clients...

shadowtree 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a former Notes user (email, cal, plus apps for expense tracking, etc) - what did Notes in was the horrendous, non-Windows user interface. The second half of the article here is spot on, if anyone bothers to read it. Nice to see those old site ridiculing Notes, Jeff Atwood et al - a blast from the past!

As an end-user, I welcomed Notes demise.

And don't get me started on its god-awful local/offline sync behavior. Outlook ran circles around it. Hard to believe from todays perspective, sure, but yes, Lotus Notes was so much worse.

tomfakes an hour ago | parent [-]

I was part of the small team that added Exchange Offline mode very, very late in the product cycle specifically to counter the Notes Local Replication story.

We were asked for something quick and easy, but decided to put the effort in to make it the correct way for the Exchange architecture.

The bulk of that code is still there 30 years later.

shadowtree 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Kudos, as an owner of an offline/sync stack myself - this stuff is so hard at scale. You guys did a great job!

altcognito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Notes was legit. It was very featureful and cool but the amount of support and hardware required was quite high. A little ahead of its time.

kwanbix 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

100% my sentiment.